Agent Interview: Jessica Saint Jean (Root Literary)

Jessica Saint Jean is a literary agent at Root Literary, where she’s on a mission to bring bold, narrative-​driven art to the forefront of children’s publishing. With nearly 15 years in the industry in a variety of roles, she knows the ins and outs of both storytelling and design. Jessica represents illustrators and author-​illustrators across formats like board books, picture books, middle grade, and graphic novels, and she’s all about finding projects that pair striking visuals with unforgettable stories.

Jessica’s sharp eye for expressive art and her knack for nurturing creative careers make her a standout advocate for her clients (I know this is true–I asked a few!). Known for her love of Airtable, color-​coded spreadsheets, and deep-​dive submission lists, she balances organization with boundless enthusiasm for great storytelling. In this interview, Jessica dishes on her career, her favorite projects, and what it takes to succeed in today’s competitive kidlit market.

Learn more about Jessica here:


RVC: You’ve worked in publishing for almost 15 years, first as an editor, then on the art side of things, and now as an agent. How have those roles shaped your approach to representing illustrators and authors?

JSJ: My time working in-​house at publishers informs just about everything I do as an agent. Though I was never actually an art director! At Candlewick, I worked in the Art Department but I had a pretty unique role – I wore many hats, but my primary responsibility was to coördinate illustrator commissions: after an editor acquired an author’s story for a book that would be illustrated (a picture book text for example), I would help select which artist Candlewick would hire to illustrate that book, and then negotiate the deal with the illustrator’s agent.

RVC: Oh, that’s interesting. I bet that gave you some great insight.

JSJ: Being part of that process searching for the perfect illustrator for a particular story gave me a lot of key insights into how I represent my clients and promote their work with publishers – from what type of information is helpful to share in email campaigns to helping my clients develop their portfolios.

And of course, negotiating many illustrator deals on behalf of the publisher gave me a lot of great intel now that I do the same thing from the other side of the desk!

RVC: How did your time at Barefoot Books and Candlewick Press influence your understanding of children’s publishing, particularly for illustrators?

JSJ: Barefoot is a small publisher, so beginning my career there gave me a great overview of all facets of children’s publishing – I was working in the same room as the Creative Director, the heads of sales and marketing, the CFO, etc. I kept my ears open and offered to help doing lots of different types of tasks that needed doing. It made my workload a little overwhelming but also taught me a lot! At larger companies, it can be harder to learn about what your colleagues are doing in different departments, and how their work impacts yours (and the bottom line). So that early role as an editor gave me experience in many corners of this business, which helps me guide my clients through lots of different situations.

And my time at Candlewick gave me a deep understanding of the market. To inform my work commissioning illustrators, I got to know every agent representing kidlit artists and each of their lists, met college students graduating from illustration programs, kept a close eye on all the key children’s lit awards, and, of course, read as many picture books as I could. It all helped hone my artistic tastes and commercial instincts.

RVC: Let’s talk about Root Literary. Why did you choose it, and how does it align with your vision for your clients?

JSJ: When I became an agent, I wanted to build a boutique list of illustrators at an agency that wasn’t currently representing illustrators so I had room to establish the look and feel of my list. But after several years working solo on so many aspects of my job, I realized I could grow my business (and my clients’ careers!) faster if I had colleagues who represented illustrators too.

Two agents at Root Literary, Molly O’Neill and Kurestin Armada, were already representing illustrators and I loved both of their lists. We have similar tastes without actually overlapping, so I felt my roster of illustrators would harmonize well with theirs. And I love Root’s approach to agenting – it’s very collaborative. So, I knocked on Holly Root’s proverbial door and was over the moon when she invited me to join the team.

RVC: What’s the story behind the first picture book you edited? 

JSJ: I started at Barefoot as an editorial intern and worked my way up, so I was initially supporting the other editors’ lists. The project that looms the largest in my mind all these years later is Barefoot Books World Atlas, which was an extraordinarily complex project to create! I will never forget that the day we finally sent it off to the printer was the same day South Sudan became an independent state. So… I started a list of reprint corrections before the book even hit the press. That might be a record?!

RVC: I bet it is! Now, how did this experience compare to the first picture book you repped as an agent?

JSJ: The first deal I closed as an agent was for Ashley Yazdani’s Cosmic Wonder: Halley’s Comet and Humankind, which, ironically, also takes a sweeping look at history and the earth. But thankfully with zero maps!

RVC: Let’s dig into the agenting side now. What’s a typical day like for you?

JSJ: It is super hard to describe a typical day as an agent because there are so many different facets to our job. And very, very often, what I spend all day doing isn’t necessarily what I planned to work on. We sometimes have to make quick pivots if time-​sensitive things come up, like a surprise offer on a book (yay, the best disruption!) or a sticky situation our clients need help navigating.

The easiest thing to say is that I spend a lot of time writing emails. So, so many emails!

RVC: That’s a popular answer, to be sure. What’s a misconception about picture books that you’d like to debunk?

JSJ: Picture book authors, you do not need to hire an artist to illustrate your book! In fact, I am begging you not to do this. Publishers like to pair illustrators with picture book texts themselves (see: my old job at Candlewick!) so most of the time, it’s actually detrimental to your book if you submit it with an illustrator already attached. (Unless, of course, you are an author-​illustrator planning to illustrate the book yourself.) It’s also better for the illustrator to be hired by the publisher, who can give them a share in the book’s royalties and handle all the accounting for that, etc. So, save yourself and everyone else the trouble!

RVC: For illustrators who also write, what unique challenges or opportunities do you see during the submission process?

JSJ: Sometimes an editor might love an author-illustrator’s art style but not connect as much with their story, or vice versa. An editor needs to love both to acquire a book. But the upside when editors pass on a submission but fall in love with one facet or another of a creator’s work, is that there’s usually an opportunity to follow that lead and connect on another project – even if it ultimately takes a while to get all the stars to align!

RVC: In another interview, you mentioned sometimes relying on “gut feelings” when matching projects to editors. Can you share an instance when your intuition paid off in a big way?

JSJ: One of the first submissions I sent out as an agent was a very special book, Lonely Bird by Ruth Whiting. It’s whimsical and sensitive, warm and hopeful but also a little melancholy, and the art is absolutely incredible (realistic oil paintings with paper collage) but a far cry from the digital styles that are very on trend right now. So, in short: it’s an amazing book but I worried it wasn’t going to be an easy sell. I knew I had to get it in front of the right editor, someone who would really “get” this story creatively and who would also know how to position it in the market so readers would understand it too.

I was still getting to know a lot of editors, so I did a ton of research while building my submission list. But when a book is doing something pretty different than what’s out there, you can only connect the dots so much – ultimately you have to trust your instincts. And I knew exactly who I was going to share Lonely Bird with at Candlewick from the jump: Mary Lee Donovan. She’s a brilliant editor and I had a good feeling that she was going to see the same magic in Ruth’s debut that I did. And happily, I was right! She made an offer not only for Lonely Bird, but two sequels as well, at lightning speed. She’s been an incredible partner to help bring Ruth’s vision to life.

RVC: That’s a great success story. Now, you recently launched a newsletter. Care to share what and why?

JSJ: There are a lot of smart people who are sharing their knowledge of the publishing industry in various places (including here!), but I’ve found there isn’t quite as much out there specifically for children’s book illustrators. I wanted to help contribute to that knowledge pool, but I didn’t want to do it on traditional social media platforms run by algorithms. I was intrigued by substack (I used to love blogs back in the day) and wanted to learn more about it. And I figured, what better way to do that than to start a newsletter myself? I’m still finding my rhythm with writing posts but I really love that corner of the internet.

RVC: Best of luck with the newsletter! One final question for this part of the interview. What are some upcoming client projects that you’re really excited about?

JSJ: Oooh, I love this question! I cannot wait for The Dinosaur Seed by Lindsey Yankey to hit shelves this summer. It’s such a unique book – the story is told completely through the dialogue of four kids as they play pretend at the park, almost like a short play. I really want to do a dramatic reading of it with a few of my friends each voicing one of the characters. And the art is absolutely exquisite. I think kids are going to love it.

I’m also super excited about Floor It, written by Bex Tobin Fine and illustrated by my client Federico Fabiani. It transforms a baby’s ordinary crawl across the floor into a racecar-​themed adventure, with lots of clever wordplay and mesmerizing, slightly surreal art. I’m a huge Formula 1 fan so love all the racecar jokes.

And last but not least, my client Hayden Goodman illustrated a fabulous new take on The Night Before Christmas, which is coming out this fall. It’s set in a NYC apartment building, and it’s funny and sweet and absolutely gorgeous. There are lush cutaways of all the different families’ homes with tons of little details to discover, and Santa has a fresh look and a magnificent magical pipe.

RVC: Alright, thanks for that–best of luck with all of those projects. But now…it’s time for the LIGHTNING ROUND. Let’s zip through questions and zap in those answers. Are you ready, Jessica? 

JSJ: Ready!

RVC: What’s the most Virgo thing you do every day?

JSJ: Ha! So many answers to this, but the #1 thing may be the way I tag almost every single email I send/​receive with myriad color-​coded labels.

RVC: What’s the most unexpected thing you’ve ever used Airtable for?

JSJ: Gardening! I have a base where I track all the perennials I grow in my yard, the care instructions, when they bloomed each year, etc. It’s ridiculous but also fun. I call it my “recreational spreadsheet.”

RVC: How many projects can illustrators juggle without losing it?

JSJ: This depends on the illustrator. Though I try to encourage my clients to have only 2 new picture books publish per year, max. For lots of reasons, but workload chief among them.

RVC: A picture book from 2024 with underappreciated-​but-​awesome art?

JSJ: I have to mention Lonely Bird again, because the second book in the series, Lonely Bird’s Dream has the most incredible art. Ruth’s process is fascinating – she paints in oil, which is its own special feat, but she also creates all her illustrations in real life and photographs them as references for her paintings. Which means she’s literally built all the flying contraptions that Lonely Bird builds in the story, and she spends a lot of time lying on the floor taking photos from Lonely Bird height. She did a few interviews talking about her process that I recommend checking out!

RVC: If your life were illustrated as a picture book, what would the title and art style be?

JSJ: I’m very bad at brainstorming good titles in real life (I desperately wish I were better at this!) so whatever I came up with myself, the editor would probably gently suggest we change, haha. I don’t know if I could choose just one art style! I would need someone else to spearhead the illustrator search for my own book. Doctors are the worst patients, and all that.

RVC: What’s your favorite quotation about agenting, publishing, or writing kidlit?

JSJ: “Tell them stories….That’s what nourishes them. You must tell them true stories, and everything will be well, everything. Just tell them stories.” from The Amber Spyglass by Philip Pullman (my all-​time favorite book!)

RVC: Thanks so much, Jessica!

Agent Interview: Sam Farkas (Jill Grinberg Literary Management)

Welcome to Sam Farkas, a literary agent at Jill Grinberg Literary Management who helps bring innovative and impactful picture books to life. With a background in publishing that includes subsidiary rights at Penguin and extensive experience connecting authors and illustrators with global audiences, Sam is passionate about championing stories that captivate young readers.

Her tastes lean toward picture books with kid-​friendly texts that beg to be read aloud, out-​of-​the-​box nonfiction, and books that celebrate our multicultural world. Recent sales like Eight-​Nine-​Tengineers and Floor It! showcase her knack for finding stories that combine heart, creativity, and meaningful messages. In this interview, Sam shares insights into the world of picture book publishing, what she looks for in submissions, and how she supports creators in crafting unforgettable books.

Learn more about Sam here:


RVC: When you were a kid, was it obvious you’d end up in a book-​related career?

SF: In hindsight, yes. I was always reading and writing. Then, as a teen, I spent a lot of time reading publishing blogs (mostly written by agents) because I found the industry so fascinating, but I viewed it more through the lens of wanting to be an author. At that time, I was very against the idea of living in New York City (how that has changed!), so I didn’t think publishing would be open to me. It wasn’t until college that I seriously considered it as a career path.

College of William & Mary – Logos DownloadRVC: Let’s talk about college then. You attended William & Mary as an undergraduate. What did you study there, and how has it shaped your approach to agenting?

SF: When I went to college, I thought I was going to be an archaeologist. I loved history, and I had a very romanticized view of the archaeology field. However, after a semester cleaning potsherds with a toothbrush, I decided that it was not for me, so I abandoned those courses and declared myself a double major in English and History. That said, I still sometimes view my work as an agent through an archaeological lens, especially when I’m digging through the slush. The thrill of discovery. Putting pieces together to unearth a great story. Polishing things up until they shine (with an edit letter, not a toothbrush).

RVC: That’s a lovely way of thinking about it. Now, you worked at Barnes & Noble for a while after college. How useful was that for your future career in the publishing industry?

SF: Very! When I was first interviewing for publishing jobs in 2015, that was the piece of my resume that the hiring managers asked about the most. As a student, it’s easy to get lost in the books you have to read for coursework; working at Barnes & Noble reminded me what’s being published and selling now. (Also, I met my husband while working there, so it was a very influential time in my life!)

RVC: Bonus score! Eventually, you worked directly in publishing as a rights coördinator. How did that prepare you for agenting?

SF: There is a lot of crossover, as both are all about selling rights. The main difference is that as an agent you’re also doing editorial work and managing an author’s career. It’s more overarching. But my time as a rights coördinator taught me how to pitch, how to negotiate deals, how to do a contract, what different markets look like and what we can expect from them.

RVC: What’s a common misconception about book rights?

SF: A lot of new writers don’t think about subrights at all. Or they think that rights sales are a given, when in fact there are a lot of factors that affect how and whether a book sells subrights. A rhyming picture book, for example, is going to have trouble in the translation market—translating rhyme is hard!

Another example: preferences in art style vary dramatically territory-​by-​territory, so what works here doesn’t necessarily work overseas. I’ve sat in many a meeting where I’ve been told, “This will never work for France!” (French editors, if you’re reading, I think you’re great!)

RVC: How has your love for travel and global cultures influenced the way you think about the picture book market?

SF: This isn’t specific to picture books, but I’m often thinking about what makes books appealing to foreign markets—it’s more complicated than whether something is a great book. It can be the length (shorter is better, as translation adds to the page count), details in the art (yellow school buses? Too American), even the genre itself (horror is not nearly as popular overseas as it is here). While it doesn’t affect whether I offer on something, I get really excited when I see a lot of translation potential. It’s special to see a book resonate with readers around the world.

RVC: What’s the most important lesson you’ve learned since joining JGLM in 2018?

SF: Oh, I have to pick just one? I’m going to cheat and pick two.

RVC: Go for it!

SF: 1) Trust your gut. It’s usually correct.

2) It’s okay to be the bearer of bad news. It’s no secret that there are a lot of things in publishing that are very difficult, whether that’s books dying on submission or lackluster marketing support. It’s tempting to try to sugarcoat it, but that helps no one—we have to be honest with our authors and support them as best we can.

RVC: What’s the story behind the first picture book you sold as agent?

SF: The first book I sold as an agent was Charlotte Gunnufson’s Dream Submarine. I had admired Charlotte’s work from my Penguin days—I was there when her book Prince & Pirate published—so I was really excited to represent her.

Dream Submarine is a beautifully multifaceted bedtime book about the ocean at night, and it sold to Candlewick pretty quickly once we took it out on submission.

RVC: The biggest lesson that book taught you was…

SF: Trust your gut! We discussed a lot of projects before deciding which to take out on submission, and there were many strong contenders, but this one felt right. Sometimes, you can’t put into words why one project feels more right than the others, but listen to your instincts.

RVC: In your opinion, what makes a great counting book, like Eight-​Nine-​Tengineers, or other concept-​driven picture books?

SF: It has work on multiple levels. It’s not enough to just be a counting book, or a colors book, or an ABC book—it has to do something else, too, such as tell a great story or bring in additional educational content. Charlotte Gunnufson’s Eight-​Nine-​Tengineers is a counting book, but it’s also a kid-​friendly introduction to environmental engineering, showing how we can work together to build a greener planet.

RVC: When assessing a manuscript, what’s the first thing that makes you think, “Now THIS is something I need to represent”?

SF: I can’t stop thinking about it. When I read a picture book manuscript, I usually know right away if it’s a “no,” but if it’s not a quick “no,” then it goes in my “take a closer look” pile. Occasionally, I will forget about it there, and then that tells me that it wasn’t a good fit and I let it go; but if I keep opening that manuscript, read it multiple times, and can’t let it go, then that’s a sign that I want to work on it.

RVC: How do you support your clients during the submission process, especially when navigating feedback or rejections?

SF: I let the author take the lead in how they’d like me to handle feedback or rejections. Every author is different: some want to hear every bit of news, some only want the highlights, others don’t want to hear a peep until it’s a “yes.” I trust my clients to know what’s best for their mental health, and I’ll work to accommodate that so they can focus on the writing.

RVC: I’m sure authors appreciate your flexibility there.

SF: If we get a pattern of feedback in the passes—multiple editors saying the same thing—then we’ll pause and see if we might be able to address it before taking the book out on submission again. Or if there’s no specific editorial feedback, but the book just isn’t hitting for whatever reason, sometimes we’ll pull it and move on to a different text. The nice thing about picture book writers is they tend to be prolific—if something isn’t working on submission, there’s always a new project waiting in the wings.

RVC: What advice would you give to creators choosing comp titles for their picture book manuscripts?

SF: Choose books that published within the last 5–7 years. Choose books that have done well, but try to avoid mega-​hits, as those tend to be outliers.

RVC: In your “wish list” online, you’ve mentioned a love for out-​of-​the-​box nonfiction. What kinds of nonfiction picture books are you hoping to see in your inbox?

SF: Ah, tricky! I don’t really know until I see it, but I do know that I’m burnt out on picture book biographies. I love picture book bios, but I’ve struggled to sell them, so I’m hesitant to take them on.

RVC: Brag time! What new projects are you most excited about?

SF: I’m really excited for Bex Tobin Fine’s Floor It!, illustrated by Federico Fabiani. It takes a simple conceit—a baby’s crawl across the floor—and turns it into a fun-​filled racecar-​themed adventure. Coming from Random House Children’s Books in Fall 2025!

RVC: Sounds like some high-​octacte fun.

SF: Charlotte Gunnufson’s Hard Hat Hank and the Sky-​High Solution, illustrated by Brian Biggs, is releasing in February on the inaugural Disney Planet Possible list, and it’s a very kid-​friendly construction book with a focus on eco-​friendly building.

And I just welcomed a new client who has a gorgeous literary text that I can’t wait to take on submission.

RVC: Thanks for the updates, Sam. But prepare yourself because it’s now time for the Speed Round. Rocket-​fast questions and racecar-​quick answers. Ready?

SF: Ready!

RVC: Your go-​to snack when reading submissions?

SF: Black licorice.

RVC: If animals could talk, which animal would be the most annoying?

SF: My cat, Paprika, who can already be the most annoying. I shudder to think what she’d say if she could talk. It probably wouldn’t be very nice.

RVC: What’s one thing you couldn’t do your job without?

SF: My awesome colleagues. The women at JGLM are absolute stars—so helpful, and wise, and kind.

RVC: What’s one word every picture book needs?

SF: “The” (although I imagine there are picture books without it!)

RVC: Last picture book that truly made you LOL?

SF: I Quit! by Kristen Tracy, illustrated by Federico Fabiani—the illustration of the cat sticking her face through a loaf of bread makes me laugh every time!

RVC: Your picture book philosophy (or agenting philosophy) in 3 words?

SF: Trust your gut!

RVC: Thanks so much, Sam!

Agent Interview: Dan Cramer (Page Turner Literary Agency)

A2821821-DF59-4A87-A703-38E5D84FCD7D.jpgImagine a world where a former forensic scientist analyzes the ingredients of a perfect picture book – with a side of horror movies and ambitious baking goals. That’s the reality of Dan Cramer, founder of Page Turner Literary Agency.

This quirky agent is driven by a deep love for reading and believes children’s books have the power to be surprisingly bold. Let’s explore his unique perspective and discover what makes this book lover’s heart sing. Along the way, we’ll learn a bit about his agency and clients, too!


RVC: Let’s begin with an easy but important question. Do you go by Dan or Daniel?

DC: I accept all forms of my name. Dan, Daniel, Danny, Daniel Boone, Booner, and Uncle Boone. I usually just introduce myself as Dan because it’s short and easy to say. I had a speech impediment when I was younger.

RVC: Okay, Dan. Let’s dive into the real question on everyone’s minds. Henry…great rescue dog, or the GREATEST rescue dog?

DC: Henry is obviously the GREATEST rescue dog. He’s a Great Dane/​Lab mix. He’s wonderfully lovable and currently a great big brother to his new sister, Longaniza (Lawn-​gah-​knee-​sah) or just Niza (Knee-​sah) for short. She’s a mini dachshund and her name is a Filipino breakfast sausage. My husband is Filipino and a cozy murder mystery series I enjoy by Mia P. Manansala has a dachshund by the same name in the books.

RVC: Makes perfect sense to me! Now, what’s the best lesson Henry has taught you that serves you well in your role as a literary agent?

DC: He’s always excited to go on an adventure. As a literary agent, I have to be excited to go on adventures, too. I have to dive into the worlds created by authors and illustrators and imagine a place for their stories in this big crazy literary world. If I’m not being adventurous, I’m probably not doing my job right.

RVC: Let’s hit the other Big Question here. How often are you mistaken for this Daniel Cramer (who is a film agent for William Morris)?

DC: That hasn’t happened yet – that I know of. But does make me want to read a murder mystery of literary agent mistaken identity! Two agents. Same name. One dead body. Will Daniel Cramer land the deal or end up six feet under? Cue dramatic music.

RVC: I’m in! But while we’re waiting for that book/​movie to happen, let’s circle back to the questions I meant to ask already, like this—what was your first important book experience as a kid?

DC: I was a very reluctant reader as a kid. The first book I remember reading on my own was Squanto, Friend of the Pilgrims and Shiloh after that. While I enjoyed both books, I wasn’t all excited to read more books. I read a few Box Car Children books and Amelia Bedelia. Again, I enjoyed reading them, but my love of reading still wasn’t there. It wasn’t until fifth grade when I read the Chronicles of Narnia (out of order) that I really fell in love with reading. Since then, I’ve just been turning pages.

RVC: Where/​how did you get the bug to be an FBI person?

DC: My undergraduate degrees are in Forensic and Investigative Sciences and Psychology. I went to West Virginia University and the Forensic program was connected with the FBI Lab. During my senior year, we had to do our own research and present our findings at a CBD-​IAI conference. My best friend and I (still best friends) worked together. Our research was on developing latent fingerprints on the adhesive side of tape. A recruiter from the FBI approached us after our presentation and took our contact information. Unfortunately, that was also at the same time the government had a shut down and they weren’t hiring. So, I did a year of grad school in pathology and my friend worked for a local police department as an evidence technician. About a year after our presentation, I got the call from the FBI recruiter asking if I was interested in working at the lab and if I had my best friend’s contact information. I said yes to both.

RVC: What was the most difficult aspect of that work?

DC: There was a rigorous 18-​month training program that I went through learning all about the science of friction ridge skin, processing evidence, learning to testify as an expert witness, and comparing unknown prints to known prints. The most difficult aspect was the comparison of unknown prints to known prints. TV makes it look easy, but it’s a very difficult process. The unknown prints are rarely pristine. There is always some type of distortion (smeared, smudged, wiped, etc.) and most unknown prints are just a partial print – sometimes just a few ridges. My mentor realized, and if I’m honest with myself, I realized too that I wasn’t great at comparison. So, I did a lateral transfer within the laboratory to the Evidence Control Unit, where I was the first person to see the evidence arriving at the lab, would inventory the evidence, and help determine its life cycle within the laboratory (which forensic testing would be conducted on each item of evidence.)

RVC: In what way(s) did it prepare you for your career as a literary agent?

DC: I’m very organized and can handle large volumes of information without being overwhelmed. Some cases would have thousands of items of evidence and I would have to keep track of all of it.

RVC: How did the shift—from FBI person to agent—happen?

DC: I met my husband while I was working for the FBI. We both lived in DC and met the old-​fashioned way – in a bar. I didn’t even have a smart phone at the time. We both agreed that while we loved the DC area, it just wasn’t for us. So, we moved to the Chicagoland area where he grew up.

The Mob Doctor DVD Release DateRVC: That’s where I grew up too. Small world!

DC: I started working as an internal affairs investigator for the sheriff, and still do presently. (Side note: While waiting to get my internal affairs job, I did background acting work on TV shows filmed in Chicago. You can see me in Boss Season 2 and Mob Doctor.)

RVC: [working hard to find those episodes online as I ask…] What happened next in terms of your career path?

DC: In 2017, I had a conversation with myself about what I really wanted to do. I really didn’t want to be in law enforcement anymore. So, I distilled down what I loved doing, what brought me joy. The answer was always books and writing. I researched careers and literary agent seemed to be the perfect fit.

I did a cold email to Flannery Literary to see if they had any internship opportunities. I wasn’t looking for monetary compensation – I really just wanted to learn the ropes. I was fortunate enough that Jennifer did need an intern. She taught me the ropes and her joy with her work showed me I was making the right choice for my life. Jennifer was an excellent mentor and helped in more ways than I’ll ever be able to repay her.

RVC: What’s the story behind the first picture book you repped and sold?

DC: A Costume for Charly by CK Malone and illustrated by Alejandra Barajas was the first picture book I sold. I love that it’s the first one. CK and I are both part of the LGBTQIA2S+ community and one of my missions for my agency is to bring more queer representation to children’s literature. CK is also a gem to work with – all my clients are actually. They really think on my crazy ideas, and I think we’ve developed a relationship where we can present any idea to each other. I hope I can continue to bring more representation of all kinds to children’s literature.

RVC: What lessons did that book teach you?

DC: That I could actually do this job. I started as an intern in 2017, then an associate agent in 2019. I didn’t sell A Costume for Charly until June 2021. That’s four years, and I wasn’t sure if I was smart enough, savvy enough, creative enough for this industry. A Costume For Charly probably saved my Agent life and helped bring to life 18 other books from my other clients, including a second one from CK.

RVC: Let’s talk about your agency. What’s the most important thing people should know or understand about it?

DC: That reading books with all kinds of representation is important not only for our souls, but also for our society. Books build up empathy in us and looking around right now – we need that more than ever. So, be fearless in your writing and illustrating! You never know what child needs your words or your art. I want my agency to help bring more varied voices to the table.

RVC: How hands-​on are you in the editing process before sending out a picture book manuscript?

DC: I love working collaboratively and being the agent the author needs. I’ve help from the developmental stages to just having to do some line editing. And each time, no matter how involved I need to be, it’s magic.

RVC: What’s a daily workday look like for you?

DC: Crazy right now – lol! I work a full-​time job as an internal affairs investigator, and I do agenting whenever I can fit it in throughout my day. And with our new puppy, Niza, there’s potty training. I try to be cognizant of my mental health too. We have a culture that’s always go, go, go and that’s hard. I make sure to find time to rest and get in all the doggy snuggles I can.

RVC: Please share a client success story from idea to publication. 

DC: This is a hard question because any book that gets published is a success. In traditional publishing there are so many gate-​keepers, including myself. So, a story breaking down each gate to make it to the shelves of bookstores, libraries, and our homes is a success. But getting your book published is not the only success in this industry. You need define what success is for you, which can be anything – sticking to a writing/​illustrating schedule, joining a critique group, going to a conference, etc. Don’t compare yourself to others because it will steal your joy. Celebrate all your successes and others’ successes, filling your life/​career with joy.

Okay, I’ll hop of my soap box now and I’ll speak of a most recent success. I signed on Melody Sumaoang Plan during a Writers Workshop Virtual Conference during COVID. She pitched me a lyrical nonfiction series about composting. There was minimal work needed to get the first manuscript ready for submission. During the first round there was interest from an editor who asked for a revise and resubmit. We did the R&R and the editor ended up passing. We were both ok with that because the editor did help us create a stronger manuscript. And we celebrated those successes – the R&R and a stronger manuscript. We went back on submission and the story was picked up by Tilbury House and is set to be published this July. We received notice at the end of April that Inside the Compost Bin received a starred review from Kirkus Reviews. A first for both Page Turner Literary Agency and Melody!

RVC: Congrats to you both on that! Let’s help up some future clients by sharing this–what’s the most common misconception about agents or agenting?

DC: We only pass because your writing/​illustrating is bad.

This isn’t true. There are many reasons agents have to pass on queries. For instance, I’m a one-​person show at Page Turner Literary Agency. I’m the only one looking at queries, working with my clients, pitching to editors, creating presentations for conferences, doing all the business stuff that goes with owning an agency. Plus, I work another full-​time job. So, I have to be extremely selective of who I sign on or how many clients I represent. I can tell you right now that I have a pile of work and always have a pile of work. I’m fortunate enough to have clients that understand and are patient with me.

Other reasons I pass are – your writing isn’t bad, it’s just not ready yet, I have something similar, I’m not the right agent to help you elevate your manuscript, your story is written well, but it’s not going to stand out in a crowded market. An automatic pass from me will be if you are rude, bigoted, racist, homophobic, etc in your query letter or submission. Luckily that doesn’t happen often.

RVC: In all your experience as an agent, what has surprised you the most?

DC: The length of time the whole process takes. You have to be patient and persistent in this industry. You will fail if you don’t have those two qualities.

RVC: Any other surprises?

DC. The other thing that has surprised me are the creative ways people tell stories. Jennifer once told me that there are no new stories, just new ways to tell them. And the innovative ways people come up with to tell their stories is fascinating.

RVC: If you could offer one key piece of advice to a new writer or illustrator hoping to get an agent’s attention, what would it be?

DC: Read what you write or illustrate as much as you can. As Gary Paulsen would say, “Read like a wolf eats.” And as you are reading, really study what that author or illustrator has done. Ask yourself what you liked about the story, what you didn’t like, how you would have done it, and, especially for picture books, read them aloud.

This career, writing and illustrating, is an isolating career. Join critique groups, writing groups, go to conferences if you’re able, participate in Twitter/​X pitch events, develop writing/​illustrating friends. Having a connection to this community will help you both in your craft and mentally.

RVC: What do you do to de-​stress or for downtime?

DC: I listen to a lot of audiobooks, read, bake, play with my dogs, be outdoors, run, lift weights, I’m learning ballet, go to the movies, and sometimes just sitting on the couch with my husband and our dogs enjoying each others’ presence.

RVC: One last question for this part of the interview. It’s Brag Time! What are some upcoming Page Turner projects that you want to rave about?

DC: 2024 is a big year for Page Turner Literary Agency! We’ve already had four books released this year and have five more coming out. There are several projects in the works that haven’t been announced yet, and a few in the negotiations stage. I also have big hopes that my MG and YA clients will break into the industry this year.

RVC: Okay, Dan. It’s time to move to the second and final part of the interview. It’s…THE LIGHTNING ROUND! The point values are quadrupled and the key to success is speed, speed, speed. So, quick questions and awesomely fast answers. Are you ready?

DC: Absolutely!

RVC: If you only had one app on your phone, it’d be…

DC: Gmail.

RVC: If you had to bake one item to save your life, what’s on the menu?

DC: Pumpkin Roll – it seems to be everyone’s favorite, so it should be able to save my life.

CREEP (2014) — CULTURE CRYPTRVC: Most underappreciated horror movie?

DC: Creep.

RVC: What are five things you couldn’t do your job without?

DC: Internet, Gmail, Ipad, Clients, Creativity.

RVC: Beyond your own list, what’s the last picture book that actually made you LOL?

DC: I’m Not Missing, with words and story by Kashelle Gourley and art and story by Skylar Hogan. It’s the dog’s side-​eye for me.

RVC: Your picture book philosophy in five words or fewer.

DC: Write for your inner child.

RVC: Thanks so much, Dan! This was terrific.

Agent Interview: Heather Cashman (Storm Literary Agency)

Today, we’re diving into the imaginative world of Heather Cashman, a seasoned literary agent at Storm Literary Agency, whose dynamic career spans across the evocative realms of Picture Books, Middle Grade, Young Adult, and Adult fiction and nonfiction. Heather’s enthusiasm for boundary-​pushing narratives and her commitment to fostering books that evoke a sense of wonder make her a distinguished figure in the literary community.

Heather brings a unique blend of scientific background and creative zest to her role, embodying a true nomadic spirit that seeks out the unexplored and unexpected in literature. Whether it’s a new twist on historical fiction or a fresh perspective in a picture book, Heather is on a quest to discover stories that do things she never knew books could do.

For those who craft narratives with layered hooks and genre blends, or those who write with a blend of commercial appeal and literary elegance, Heather’s insights today will be especially enlightening. Stay tuned as we explore her journey from biochemist to literary agent, her passion for non-​didactic, empowering children’s literature, and her advice for aspiring authors navigating the complex currents of the publishing world.

Let’s get inspired by Heather’s story and learn how we, too, can think outside the book!


RVC: You earned a degree in biochemistry, but that career path didn’t take. What’s the story here?

HC: I love biochemistry! It’s fascinating and a wonderful career path. However, I had three kids in four years and chose to stay home with them, during which time I began writing. And writing. And I just didn’t want to stop! And I started studying editing, became a CP for people, loved the process, and after years of studying and interning, I became a professional editor. By then my kids were in middle school and high school, and I had to make a choice. But I was so passionate about all things writing and editing, I just kept going.

RVC: Your website lists three main areas of creative efforts—literary agent, podcast host, and way-​word writer. Which came first, and how do these roles inform each other?

HC: Writer, then editing and interning and working as the host of Pitch Wars with Brenda Drake got me into the conference circuit, which is where I met Vicki Selvaggio, the owner of Storm Literary.

Writing informs everything. Knowing what it’s like to be a writer in the query trenches, knowing what it’s like to struggle for the words, to pour your heart and soul into a book—it all helps me help my clients. I understand what it’s like, but I also understand how tough it is, how difficult it is to stay motivated, and what the industry takes from you. But I also know that you won’t make it if you don’t put your boots back on, dust yourself off, and get back on the horse.

Being an agent, I hope to understand the industry side, the business side of writing. The sales, the marketing, the hoops you jump through with acquisitions, the contracts, the editing, the selling, the hooks, making your manuscript stand out. All of these things inform my own writing, influences the advice I give my clients and how we strategize selling their books, and also helps me assess each query submission.

The podcast ties all this together for me. As a writer, I need community. As an agent, I feel like I have a way to help writers, but also know intimately what writers navigating publishing today would like to hear about. Knowledge is the key to power—to success. I hope the podcast empowers writers in every facet of a writer’s life, from mental health to craft, the business side of things, the shifting that constantly occurs in this industry, as well as the community. I want it to break down the barriers and stigmas associated with the different paths to publishing. And I hope it provides a nurturing environment for people looking to connect in a real way. We need each other.

RVC: We’ll circle back to the other topics soon, but let’s talk podcasts. Way-​word Writers is very new. Why tackle this big project?

HC: I needed it. I needed to get out of my own small world and talk to writers out there. Every podcast guest has amazed me, informed me, taught me, and been so fun to talk to. I’ve laughed, cried, expanded my own horizons. Even if nobody listened to it, I would want to keep doing it.

RVC: What’s the most difficult aspect of hosting a podcast?

HC: I guess not wanting to do it all the time. I would be interviewing twice as many people if I could afford the time. I absolutely love these guests.

RVC: Way-​Word is more than just a podcast or website, though. What other things do you do/​offer?

HC: We began with just the podcast. But many of our listeners have asked for workshops, retreats, and conferences. So we’re introducing workshops first, probably slowly. Then we’re having an online conference Fall 2024 and then an in-​person retreat in Spring 2025. We’ll see how those go, and if they go well, we’ll try to do them on a regular basis. Fingers crossed!

RVC: If I asked your colleagues at Way-​Word Writers, what would they say is your superpower?

HC: I asked my colleagues, because I don’t see myself as having any superpowers. They said that my superpowers are kindness and compassion, and that I’m dependable, thoughtful, and a good listener. *blushing bright pink!*

RVC: You’re not just a champion of writers—you’re a writer of science fiction and fantasy for adults and young adults, and “the occasional picture book.” What’s your current project?

HC: I have a book on submission right now with my agent that studies the line where preference becomes prejudice, about a young woman who loves the taste of oranges, the sound of a cello, and a certain boy, but her AI-​run government and society demands randomness, so that prejudice can’t ever happen. I’m also working on a picture book about traditions and how different traditions around the world can unify families.

RVC: What do you enjoy most about writing your own picture books?

HC: I love remembering what it was like to be a little child, without all the experiences that jade us, when it was just me napping on the back of my horse while she ate grass out behind the wash shed.

RVC: Let’s talk about being an agent. You came up via the internship route, right? How did you make that happen?

HC: It was a combination really. I’d been interning at an agency and then a publishing house, and I was doing the conference circuit. So things came together for me in a way—a perfect Storm!

Basically I worked A LOT for free for many years.

RVC: Prior to joining Storm Literary Agency, you worked as an editor at Cornerstones UK. How did you fare in the editorial role?

HC: I loved editing and still do! But it always made me sad when I fell in love with a manuscript and then didn’t get to see it through to the selling and publishing stage.

RVC: Talk a bit about how editorial you are in your work as an agent.

HC: When I first started as an agent, I was very editorial. The busier I get with things though, the less time I have to do detailed line or copy edits to really elevate the writing. But I still read and give as much feedback as I possibly can. I always want to give my authors the very best chance at a sale!

RVC: You landed at Storm Literary Agency. What’s the most important thing people should know or understand about that agency?

HC: We’re very much a team. We’re collaborative, have a family atmosphere, and we foster agents and clients alike to be the best they can. This industry takes a village, because books are like children: they’re complex, they grow, they need nurturing and advocates to fight for them. Storm is that village.

RVC: Why is Storm Literary Agency a great fit for you?

HC: I need nurturing too! Also, I love to help the other agents and writers, and Vicki and Essie are so supportive and offer their wealth of knowledge and experience freely. It’s a wonderful place to work.

RVC: What was the first picture book you sold? What’s the story behind that?

HC: The first picture book I sold was a nonfiction picture book by my client Nathalie Alonso titled My Name is Roberto (Calkins Creek, 2025), and it’s been a long time coming! I fell in love with Nathalie’s writing. She’s a fireball with so much heart and soul, and that gets poured right into her books.

RVC: What’s the most useful lesson that first picture book sale taught you?

HC: I could do it. And if I sold one book, I could do it again.

RVC: You’ve mentioned that you love “timeless picture books.” Could you discuss a few examples and what, in your view, contributes to their timelessness?

HC: Corduroy by Don Freeman. As timeless as corduroy itself, it’s a book about finding the perfect someone. We all need that.

Where the Wild Things Are by Maurice Sendak. Everyone has an inner monster, and that inner monster gets in trouble, and I love that this book teaches us to identify that inner monster and acknowledge it without letting it keep us from our dinner.

If You Give A Mouse A Cookie by Laura Joffe Numeroff. So fun, and we are all that mouse.

To me, timeless books universally resonate with us because they reveal ourselves—they reveal to us the human condition and help us realize that we aren’t the only ones who feel this way—no matter what our age.

RVC: As an agent, you’ve mentioned a love for books that “do things I never knew books could do.” Could you give an example of such a book?

HC: I’ve seen books that can turn into beehives, books that unfold and turn into a map, books that transform the way you live or think.

RVC: Can you talk about a time when a project took a completely different direction after your initial feedback and turned out better because of it?

HC: I gave someone an 18-​page edit letter for their YA and they asked me why I even took them on as a client. We worked on another project for a while, but after they went back and did the edits on that first project, it became a NYT Bestseller. And while my edits did help, it was their vision, talent, and perseverance that made the difference.

RVC: What a great story! Now, in your opinion, what are the key components of a successful author-​agent relationship?

HC: Communication, understanding, and a willingness to keep learning craft.

RVC: How do you handle the delicate balance of creative input with respecting an author’s artistic vision?

HC: I ask questions, make suggestions, and then let them figure it out. I trust them to know what they’re trying to do and say.

RVC: How do you identify and help authors capitalize on emerging trends in the publishing industry?

HC: My authors have a lot of manuscripts in a folder and I go through them and we discuss, or sometimes I ask them if they have anything an editor is looking for.

RVC: You’ve been involved with Pitch Wars, #PitMad, and Pitch Madness. Why did you get involved?

HC: To find a community of talented authors and creators and surround myself with a community of like-​minded people who want to lift rather than tear down.

RVC: What’s your favorite success story from those opportunities?

HC: I loved every author I worked with, both the mentors and my mentees, and I don’t think I have a favorite success story. There were so many talented authors who went on to do great things.

RVC: I confess—I don’t know anyone who lives the RV life, but it’s something you do full time. What’s a typical workday look like for you?

HC: My workday is very similar to anyone else, I think, as far as working around 10 hours and reading at night. I guess the main difference is that when I make my tea and go sit outside, I’m in the wilderness somewhere. And it’s always changing. Sometimes I’ll edit while in my lawn chair by a river. We’re off grid because we are 100% solar, so we often stay in national parks or forests with the deer and squirrels.

RVC: Your bio says you love kayaking, hiking, and motorcycling. How often do you get to do those things?

HC: I sometimes do small hikes in the mornings, but usually we do something on Saturdays and/​or holidays.

RVC: Alright, Heather. Let’s jump into the much-​beloved, never-​equaled, always-​exciting LIGHTNING ROUND. Zippity-​zoomy questions followed by fasty-​blasty answers, please. Are you ready?

HC: Yes!

RVC: Favorite writing/​editing snack?

HC: Bengal spice tea with lemon.

RVC: Which picture book character would be the best mascot for your RV?

HC: Little Bear.

RVC: If you could swap lives with any picture book character for a day, who would you choose?

HC: Christopher Robin.

RVC: What’s a recent picture book gem that didn’t yet get the attention it deserves?

HC: Too many to count!

RVC: Who sets the standard for picture book rhymes?

HC: Experienced editors who know meter and rhyme, and also know what a great read aloud sounds like. If you meant picture book authors, I would say Dr. Seuss.

RVC: Heather Cashman is an agent who…

HC: …wants all the books!

RVC: Thanks so much, Heather!

Agent Interview: Rachel Orr (Prospect Agency)

Welcome to Rachel Orr, a longtime literary agent with Prospect Agency. Instead of going with the standard biography here, I’m going to include a few key things she’s said—or others have said about her—that are especially telling.

  • values her close relationships with authors and believes that nothing feels as good as a fresh, clean line edit.”
  • loves authors who have more than one idea and are willing to revise.”
  • has no spare time—but, if she did, she would spend it dancing, running and reading, of course.”

With that, let’s get to the interview itself to learn more about her. Here we go!


RVC: Let’s start with the here-​and-​now instead of diving into the deep past. You’ve been agenting for a good while. In all your experience, what has most surprised you?

RKO: I think what has most surprised me most about agenting itself is the close relationships I’ve been able to establish and maintain with my clients.

When I worked as an editor at HarperCollins, I really valued the relationships I had with my authors—and I worried that I would lose that as an agent. However, one agent assured me that I would have even stronger relationships with my clients. After all, an editor may only work with a creator on a single book, but an agent ideally works with a creator over the course of an entire career. That was really exciting to me, and has also turned out to be quite true.

RVC: That’s great to hear!

RKO: I do, however, make sure to respect the author-​editor relationship, and feel that part of my role is to place the right author with the right editor. That’s a fun challenge in this ever-​changing industry, for sure.

RVC: I’m noticing that you like to use RKO as your initials. Is there a special story or meaning behind that choice? Are you secretly a huge fan of old-​school wrestling moves?

RKO: Great question, but not a very exciting answer, I’m afraid. They’re just my initials, and that’s how my name was abbreviated when materials were circed around the editorial department at Harper, so I just got used to it. Plus, I like that there was once an RKO film production company (which produced Citizen Kane, though I’ve never seen it). Kind of cool!

RVC: Fair enough. You’ve been at the Prospect Agency since 2007. What’s special about it, and why’s it such a good fit?

RKO: I love that Prospect Agency is a small agency made up of smart women who care deeply about books and also have a savvy business sense. We get the job done, but I don’t think we present ourselves as intimidating. (I hope not, at least!)

I was fairly intimidated by many agents when I worked at Harper—though there was one agent, Liza Voges, whom I found to be incredibly approachable. She has an amazing roster of talented clients and a solid knowledge of the industry, yet she is so incredibly down-​to-​earth and makes people feel at east. That’s how I strive to be as well.

I also appreciate the fact that while my colleagues and I will often collaborate and confer on various matters, we have autonomy, too. There’s a lot of trust involved. The president of Prospect, Emily Sylvan Kim, really allowed me to grow the children’s division of the agency when I began, and to start the illustration branch (Prospect Portfolio) from scratch. She always listens to the wild ideas I have for expanding promotion and fostering community, and I’m so grateful for that.

Lastly, what I feel is most special about Prospect is the close-​knit feel we’ve been able to establish. My clients consider each other family. I love when I get a photo of my clients helping each other out at a trade show, or simply having coffee together. It warms my agent heart!

RVC: Thanks for the great answer! Now, by reputation, you’re a hands-​on, editorial agent. True? 

RKO: Yes, absolutely. I’m an editor at heart, and I suppose that’s really the only way I know how to agent.

RVC: Please give me an example of what that looks like. 

RKO: Well, it looks a bit different for each client, depending on their needs. With some clients, I might play an editorial hand early on, talking through different possibilities for a new project and then helping to flesh out the characters and plot line. With others, I might not get involved until after they’ve already written a manuscript, and then provide (hopefully) helpful feedback by means of line edits.

RVC: Which has proven more valuable to you as an agent—your work as an editor at HarperCollins Children’s Books, your stint as a Barnes & Noble bookseller, or your time as a student at Kenyon College (where you had cool internships at The Kenyon Review and Highlights for Children)?

RKO: While every experience has helped to shape my career in some way, of course, I’d definitely say that my work as an editor has been the most valuable. On a broad level, it helped me to gain an understanding of how a publishing house operates, which I would not have been able to get otherwise. On a more personal level, it’s where I met so many wonderful mentors—Barbara Lalicki and Rosemary Brosnan, in particular—who were instrumental in my development as an agent. From them, I learned how to write editorial letters—specifically, how to request changes to help improve the story while still honoring the creator’s intention. Also, I was often invited to join them for meals and events with their authors and illustrators, which taught me so much about building these creative relationships. In addition, they placed a lot of trust in me, which helped to firmly establish my own confidence in my work.

RVC: If I spoke with Emily Sylvan Kim (owner of Prospect Agency) or fellow agent Charlotte (Wenger), what would they say is your agenting superpower?

RKO: They might say my knack for carefully reviewing contracts (though that is, admittedly, not my favorite part of my job). Hopefully, they might say planning events (since I’m the one in charge of our retreats and soirée), which is much more fun!

RVC: Just between us, what’s your REAL agenting superpower?

RKO: Maybe diplomacy? (My former boss at Harper used to say that I should have been a diplomat.) Either that or juggling so many different projects and creators. I believe that it’s essential for client care to respond to them as promptly as possible (at least to their emails, even if I can’t get to their manuscript right away) and always make time for phone calls if they need to talk something through. So I try my very best to make that a priority.

But, honestly, the variety of projects and clients is what I love most about my job. I love people, and I love figuring out exactly what each individual client needs in order to thrive. And I love giving feedback on a tender, lyrical middle-​grade novel about a girl whose mother struggles with mental illness, and then wracking my brain trying to figure out where to send a poetry collection about animals in pants. It’s what keeps things interesting.

RVC: So, you’re looking for “short, punchy picture books (either in prose or rhyme) that are humorous and have a strong a strong marketing hook.” What are some mentor text examples that’ll give a clear(er) sense of what you mean?

RKO: One example of a humorous picture book in prose that I’m really excited about is Lauren Glattly’s debut Proper Badger Would Never!, forthcoming from Flamingo/​PRH on April 2. This was a story that I fell in love with as soon as it hit my inbox. It’s fresh and unexpected and a little bit naughty (okay, a lot bit naughty) with a surprising ending that is far from being sweet and wrapped up in a bow. And while the marketing hook may not be completely clear at first (the way a hook might be if it’s, say, a seasonal title), I do think it could be a fun (and funny) way to open up conversations with kids about manners in terms of what not to do.

In terms of verse, I would suggest reading anything by Sudipta Bardhan-​Quallen, who has an excellent sense of rhyme and meter and is also very intentional about considering marketing hooks. Check out her picture book Roxie Loves Adventure (Abrams) about pugs and love; Chicks Rock! and Chicks Rule! (companion titles, also both from Abrams) about girl power and music and STEM; and the forthcoming Cats in Construction Hats (Random House Books for Young Readers) about construction vehicles and colors.

RVC: How much do industry trends/​marketplace changes affect what you’re looking for?

RKO: I would say that it doesn’t affect what I’m looking for so much so much as it affects when I send a particular project out. For example, if I fall in love with a manuscript about, say, a narwhal, and the market is flooded with narwhal books at the moment, then I’ll ask the writer to send me more manuscripts to consider. Then, if the writer and I decide to work together, then we can keep the narwhal manuscript in our back pocket for when the market would be more favorable. This is why, in my opinion, it’s crucial for writers to have at least five polished manuscripts (preferably in different styles and on different subjects) ready to share when querying agents.

RVC: That’s great advice! In a 2021 Good Story Company interview you did with my buddy, Mary Kole, you talked about how some picture books eventually transform into other formats, like graphic novels. 

RKO: Yes, it’s something that definitely happens from time to time. Author-​illustrator Steve Breen’s young chapter-​book graphic-​novel Sky and Ty (forthcoming from Pixel + Ink on April 2) was initially conceived as a picture book. The first dummy, however, was about twice the length of a standard picture book. It didn’t have very much text, but it did had have a lot of art and a lot of story that seemed to naturally break into chapters. Given that Steve was already using a limited palette of two colors for the art (along with the fact that he worked as a cartoonist at his day job), it made sense to go in the direction of a graphic novel, especially since the market was so hot for them.

RVC: I don’t think writers fully appreciate this—having a literary agent doesn’t mean guaranteed sales. Sometimes it simply doesn’t work, right? Even when a writer and an agent are 100% onboard with a project.

RKO: Yes, unfortunately, that’s true. (Teardrop!)

RVC: What do you do when that happens?

RKO: Well, I feel that it’s important for the author to keep on writing and for me to keep on supporting that author. It sometimes happens that I might not immediately sell that first manuscript that made me fall in love with the author’s work, but I might sell the second manuscript, and then the third. And then, once the author has established a relationship with an editor, I might be able to go back and sell that first manuscript. (This happened fairly recently, actually.)

Or it might be that we revise the manuscript after getting solid, consistent feedback from editors. We also might decide to shelve the project and pull it out again when the market for that particular genre is better, or when one of us has another idea on how it might be strengthened. Sometimes I might ask one of my illustrators to do a sample that we can submit with it, if we think that might help an editor to better visualize the book. (This strategy once helped to sell a manuscript eight years later!)

In a worse-​case scenario, I just pull the manuscript out from time to time, read it again, and weep that it hasn’t sold. (Maybe not really—I’m not a bit weeper—but I’m definitely crying inside!)

RVC: Since we’re talking about things not being what people expect…what do you think is the most common misconception about literary agents?

RKO: I think there’s possibly the misconception that literary agents are scary, which is absolutely true. Joking! We are not scary. And we do not only care about money. (That was one misconception I had when I was an editor, at least.)

My guess is that most of these misconceptions stem from the age when you didn’t necessarily need to have an agent to get a book published. I feel like there were fewer agents then, and those agents primarily focused on the business side of publishing. That’s not necessarily the case today.

RVC: What’s a typical workday look like?

RKO: Well, one aspect of my job that I love is that there is no typical workday. Also, I’ve also had the luxury of working from home (before it was even popular to do so), which gives me the flexibility to mix things up a bit, if need be.

But, in general, I usually start my workday around 8am after my teenage son and daughter have gone off to school. I might begin with work that requires more quiet and focus (since I won’t have a ton of emails to answer just yet)—something like getting back to a client with editorial notes on a manuscript or dummy, or drafting a pitch letter for a submission that I’m planning on sending out that day, or reviewing a contract. At 9am, when emails start coming in, I try to answer them promptly, but thoughtfully (though sometimes they come in quickly and it’s like a game of Whack-​a-​Mole). Around 10am, I might have a call with a client to discuss the status of a project, or brainstorm ideas for future projects. In the afternoon, if I’m not having lunch with an editor in the city (which is always a treat!), I try to get more work done that requires concentration before my kids get home from school.

Then it’s usually a mad rush of making dinner and picking kids up from their activities and helping with homework (which mostly involves me frantically looking up Khan Academy videos on the slope-​intercept form while my son figures it out on his own).

RVC: As a part of two teens, I’ve been there, and I have that URL handy. Here you go!

RKO: Finally, I’ll catch up with more emails in the evening while my husband watches basketball on TV. I realize that doesn’t sound very exciting—but it is, I promise you.

RVC: What’s something that makes it all worth it?

RKO: Absolutely, hands down, the best part of my job is when I have the chance to call a client and share the good news that we’ve received an offer from an editor. It’s most thrilling, of course, if it’s the client’s first book, but even the twenty-​first book is really pretty great.

RVC: Totally agree with that! Now, one of your clients, Cori Doerrfeld, had a surprise hit with The Rabbit Listened. What’s the story behind that story?

RKO: Well, first off, what I’ve always found to be most surprising is that so many people viewed this book as a surprise. 🙂 True, this was definitely the book that put Cori on the map, so to speak, but she had been illustrating children’s books for nearly a decade by this point. In fact, we had just sent one of her dummies (Good Dog) out on submission the same day I read The Rabbit (as it was called then). It was a Wednesday afternoon in May, and I remember sitting in the reading room of the Hoboken Public Library and thinking, OH! This is good. Often I’ll make a lot of edits before sending a project out, but I made very few tweaks to this dummy (like, maybe only one).

Our only slight hesitation with sending it out immediately was that we had just gone out on submission with Good Dog. We didn’t want editors to feel like they had to choose between the two projects. But then we decided just to go for it! I sent it out late on Thursday afternoon and started getting offers the very next day while I was driving to my family’s house in Pittsburgh. When I stopped halfway for lunch, I called Cori and and gave her an update, and we discussed how we would proceed. Funny—I always imagined big deals going down over a three-​martini lunch, rather than in the parking lot of McDonald’s, but that’s exactly how it happened. We sold the book to Kate Harrison at Dial/​Penguin Random House. Since then, it has been on The New York Times bestseller list and translated into over 25 languages. Cori’s fourth book with Dial, Ready to Soar, will came out March 12.

(Oh, and for the record, we did sell Good Dog as well to Chris Hernandez at HarperCollins. Hurrah! 🙂

RVC: Two more questions for this part of the interview. What was your first special experience with a picture book?

RKO: I would say Aunt Lucy Went to Buy a Hat by Alice Low, illustrated by Laura Huliska-​Beith. It was the first picture book that I acquired as an editor at HarperCollins, so it will always hold a special place in my heart (cliché as that sounds!). Laura was especially amazing to work with, and it was fun to see her solve artistic challenges. For example, Aunt Lucy needs to lose her hat in the beginning of the book and then have it by the end, but we didn’t want it just magically flying behind her on every spread. So Laura came up with the idea to show Aunt Lucy looking in the mirror at the beginning of the book, and she thinks her hat is gone, but it’s really tied around her neck with ribbon and hanging behind her (which the reader can clearly see). It was such a fun solution, and taught me the importance of trusting an illustrator, too.

RVC: Last question! What are some cool upcoming things you’d like to brag about?

RKO: Oooooo…let’s see! A few upcoming projects that I’m excited about include the picture books Métis Like Me by Tasha Hilderman (Tundra/PRH)—her debut!; My Towering Tree by Janna Matthies (Beach Lane/S&S); I Worked Hard on That by Robyn Wall (S&S Books for Young Readers) and the middle-​grade graphic novel Blake Laser by Keith Marantz and Larissa Brown (HarperCollins). Can’t wait!

RVC: Alright, Rachel. It’s time for the SPEED ROUND. Let’s get zip-​zappy fast here with the questions and answers. Are you ready?

RKO: Sure am!

RVC: Which picture book world would you most want to visit?

RKO: The Paper Party by Don Freeman.

RVC: What’s something you think you’re much better at than you actually are? 

RKO: Giving interviews?

RVC: What word do you always mispell misppel get wrong?

RKO: brocolli

RVC: Who sets the standard for picture book rhyme?

RKO: Suzy Levinson

RVC: What’s the One That Got Away?

RKO: Gentlemen by Michael Northrop.

RVC: What’s a favorite line from a picture book you repped?

RKO: “…so he can go bite them.”

RVC: Thanks so much, Rachel! This was a hoot!!

Industry Insider Interviews: Tips, Advice, and More from 12 Editors & Agents

Last month’s round of tips, advice, and more from non-​OPB interviews was such a hit that we’re giving it another go this month. I’ve combed the internet far and wide to find even more useful picture book info from industry folks. See what you think!

I’ll see you back here next week (January 1st) for Only Picture Books’ 23 Favorites of 2023.


Winsome Bingham, Editor at Reycraft Books

from Picture Book Builders

I do not agree with you “that there are some elements good stories need, like conflict and tension, that keeps the story moving and the reader reading.” I see this all the time in craft books and I disagree. Many cultures do not tell stories this way. Yet, they tell amazingly good stories. We cannot dismiss stories because it doesn’t follow the standards of whiteness. We have to respect cultures and embrace those cultures and their style of storytelling. This is why we are at the point in publishing where there’s a need and cry for “diverse books and stories.” Authentic storytelling is not one way, it isn’t a cookie-​cutter narrative. Authentic storytelling is how that culture tells stories and what stories they deem necessary to be told. And I would hope that others would want to experience how different cultures document their stories.

***

I love rhythm in writing. Rhyme is rhythm, but rhythm is not necessarily rhyme. I love to use onomatopoeia to break up the monotony of the text. So, my books tend to have a lot of poetic devices. I am all about musicality and cadence. The use of consonance, assonance, and alliteration adds a boppity-​bluesy feel to the text. When I was teaching, I learned the books that went over well with my students were the ones that were rhythmic in nature.


Brenda Bowen, Literary Agent at The Book Group

from JaneFriedman.com

The takeaway message to self-​published authors is to spend a lot of time and thought putting your book together. The Churchmans [a couple who self-​published] looked at formats and chose the largest trim size that could fit comfortably on standard shelves. They printed the book on 100lb paper—heavier stock than most traditional publishers can use—and also used extra heavy board for the hardcover case. They hired an editor to help them shape the text. And they mounted a Kickstarter campaign to fund their upfront costs. They took a lot of care.

Once the book was published, they truly believed in it and felt others would, too. That’s the moment to take the book to booksellers and librarians and teachers—when you have something that stands out in the marketplace and that’s backed by the courage of your own convictions.


Stephen Fraser, literary agent at The Jennifer De Chiara Literary Agency

from Marie Lamba

[I like] A writer who stays in touch every six weeks or so.  Agents aren’t paid until they sell a book, so clients need to be respectful and appreciative of an agent’s time. I don’t mind chatting on the phone or communicating via e‑mail. I don’t generally meet with clients who may be in Manhattan on vacation or for other business – I just don’t have the time.  If there is some event at a publisher which involves my client, that, of course, is different. And you know every writer is different. Some work very independently; some need more hand-​holding. And that is okay.

***

Because I was previously an editor, that is always my instinct: to see the potential in a manuscript and figure out how to bring it to full flower. I am glad to toss ideas around with a client, read a partial, or give feedback on a full manuscript. Not all agents work that way. I won’t let a manuscript go out until I feel it is right. I am especially fussy with picture books.


Michelle Frey, Executive Editor at Knopf Children’s

from Picture Book Builders

I’m most likely to pass on rhyming picture books or picture books that cover ground that’s well-​trod (alphabet books, goodnight books). That’s both personal taste and a business decision.  For example, it’s extremely hard to pull off rhyme.  And in a market flooded with “goodnight” books, it can be hard to make another one stand out in the crowd.  Also, just as a matter of personal taste, I don’t like treacly-​sweet “I love you” books.

***

One of the most common mistakes in picture book writing is saying too much. The writer does not carry all the weight—there will be a talented illustrator involved who will be bringing your text to life and interpreting it in their own way. This means that robust physical descriptions, for example, are usually repetitive.  And much about emotion can be communicated visually as well.  Picture books are like poetry—each word matters, and needs to be there for a reason.


Wendi Gu, Agent at Sanford J. Greenburger Associates

from EasternPennPoints

I tried writing something myself the other day and it was SO hard. Everything I put on the page felt stupid and I had every conviction that no one else would ever be interested in reading it. I gave up too quickly and started answering my work e‑mails instead. I’ll go back eventually—probably, maybe.

Writers, don’t take for granted that you are already putting your dreams into action by just getting something down on the page. Do you delight in the writing process? Good. Then you are already, in my book, living a successful life.


Alyssa Eisner Henkin, Birch Path Literary

from EasternPennPoints

First, when I started in children’s publishing, we were just beginning to see books like Harry Potter, A Series of Unfortunate Events, and The Spiderwick Chronicles become feature films, and it really ushered in a golden age of big blockbusters and bestsellers for kids’ books. The idea of co-​viewing and getting parents and kids to read and watch content together has really grown in the last twenty years. Second, we’ve seen graphic novels and illustrated fiction for middle grade and even YA become a much bigger part of the book landscape. And third, the era of power librarians and influencers building buzz about more literary books on social media has really taken shape over the last decade. It used to be books were either commercial/​high concept or literary/​librarian-​driven, and now many of the popular books are both commercial and literary.

***

I think children’s publishing will continue to want to publish more diverse voices and more little-​heard point of views so the cannon of kidlit reflects the diversity of our world. I also think, given how many kids are using technology from the time they can hold an iPhone, the industry will continue to try new formats and initiatives to hook kids on reading, since we are competing with video games and apps even in the preschool age group.


Liz Kemp, Editor at Orca Book Publishers

from Orca blog

Editing picture and board books is not so much about changing words as it is project management. There is, of course, plenty of word changing, but a lot of my job is managing expectations.

An author pitches me a text that they have been writing and visualizing for some time (potentially, years!); I read this text and it inspires something in me to make me want to sign it and publish it as an Orca book; the Art Director reads it and has her own vision of what these words look like on the page and then hires an illustrator whose job it is to create a visual concept inspired by the story. We’ve gone from one person with an idea to four people with four ideas, and my job is to make sure that at the end of the day what we’ve created together is respectful of all of these separate visions.

***

Picture books are a huge influence on a child in their foundational years, I’m very mindful of what message each book we publish is imprinting on soft squishy brains. I love to see dark humour in submissions, a reminder to children that there is also light where there is darkness.

And since I have this platform, what I really REALLY don’t like to see in submissions is name calling. I think it’s unnecessary and I don’t want my little readers to ever think it’s okay.


Jennifer Mattson, Agent at Andrea Brown Literary Agency

from Picture Book Builders

People in children’s book publishing are often drawn to this industry, at least in part, because it offers a chance to do something meaningful and positive in the world. I think it’s safe to say that with the start of the Trump administration, many acquiring editors feel uniquely positioned to help counter some of the policies or currents of opinion—about immigrants, about diversity, about LGBTQ issues, about science, and, of course, much more—by acquiring manuscripts that foster a different narrative. There was already a lot of love among editors for topics that develop empathy among young readers in all sorts of way—i.e., Doug Kuntz and Amy Shrode’s The Lost and Found Cat, focused on a refugee family; Selina Alko’s The Case for Loving: The Fight for Interracial Marriage; or your own Over the River & Through the Wood, which features an extended family at Thanksgiving that includes a gay and biracial couple. But there’s (if possible) an intensified level of passion behind publishing these kinds of books now. And, across the board (fiction and nonfiction, picture books and older fiction), there is an increased awareness of the need for more #ownvoices publishing, to use the hashtag shorthand for stories about diverse characters written by authors from that same diverse group.

When I started in children’s book publishing, as a marketing assistant at Penguin Putnam, most nonfiction picture books were instantly pegged as “institutional” (i.e., for the library and school market). Since then, I think authors, editors, and publishers have found ways of making nonfiction picture books that work for both the institutional market, and bookstore customers (known in the industry as the “trade” market). Our agency is particularly proud of I Dissent!, represented by my colleague Caryn Wiseman—which has made frequent appearances on The New York Times Bestseller list and the Indie Best lists, both key markers of bookstore sales. (My own 5‑year-​old has really responded to RBG’s story, and now regularly “dissents” to whatever I choose to serve her for dinner. )

***

The most glorious part about being an agent is that moment when you share good news with an author or artist. That doesn’t happen daily, but luckily a job as a children’s‑book literary agent has no shortage of happy tasks. My background is in editorial (I was an editor at Dutton Children’s Books for about five years), so I love to sink my teeth into providing editorial feedback. But I also spent five years as a kids’-book reviewer at Booklist, where I wrote 24 book reviews every month. I find that writing pitch letters—i.e., brief descriptions of a project, addressed to editors/publishers—allows me to tap back into what I enjoyed about reviewing (minus the uncomfortable parts of having to be a critic!)


Natascha Morris, Senior Literary Agent at The Tobias Agency

from Johnell Dewitt

I can tell from the first page if I want to read on. I tag as I look through things: yes, no, further investigation needed. I am looking for specific stories now and specific writing qualities. If it is something I might be interested in, I give it three chapters. I need to be compelled in three chapters or I pass. After that, if I am still interested, I request. Once a full manuscript comes in, I read it with an eye for how much work it will need, and if I have a vision or feel compelled. I have perfectly lovely manuscripts that I pass on because I just didn’t find that passion. And passion drives the ship. When you are neck deep in 13 passes from editors, you want to feel that spark of joy that makes you say, “Screw this, I know I am right.”

***

Don’t play to market. You are not writing for today, you are writing for tomorrow. Be inventive.

***

This business can be very disheartening. As an author, you take a lot of knocks. I take them, too. Don’t lose your joy. Remember why you wanted this in the first place. 


Meredith Mundy, Editorial Director of Abrams Appleseed

from Picture Book Builders

Editors take projects they are excited about to an Editorial Meeting first—attended by all the other children’s book editors. If that group is enthusiastic about the proposal, then it goes to a second meeting called “Pub Board.” At that point, we have gathered up a list of comp titles, any relevant info about the author (including their sales tracks if one exists), and we have estimated costs to see what the financial picture might look like for each project. This meeting is attended by a lot of folks: our Sales, Sub Rights, Design, Digital, Finance, Executive, and Marketing & Publicity teams. It’s a tough crowd, as it should be! It costs a LOT of time and money to create each book, and we want to be sure that the whole company is 100% on board before we make an offer for publication. It’s so exciting when we DO get that green light and are able to make an offer!

***

It happens occasionally that an author will suggest an illustrator and that person gets chosen to work on the book, but the decision really lies with the art director, and more often than not, the AD will have a dozen other illustrator suggestions in the hopper to be considered. I am always amazed by the wonderful artists our designers and art directors come up with for projects I may have had very different visions for initially!

***

Always have several picture book ideas in your back pocket. Your first idea or manuscript may not be the one that inspires and delights an editor, but if there is interest in your tone or style or sense of humor, be ready to submit something new to see if it might hit the mark!


Monica Rodriguez, Agent at Context Literary Agency

from Latinx in Publishing

I think as writers we often forget how many plates agents have to spin and that most agents still need a day job to survive financially. Being on the other side of things helped me understand timing and what goes into deciding what projects to represent. While there are so many wonderful stories out there that I may fall in love with, there’s also an element of how I can make this book great and if I can sell it. Oftentimes, as writers we idolize the idea of getting an agent and forget that it is a business partnership as well. The reason why it takes so long for agents to get back to writers right away is because clients come first and it takes time to read, to make sure the project will be the right partnership. That being said, I wish I knew how much went into agenting before I started querying because now a rejection isn’t something I worry about and I understand if it takes long, it actually might be a good thing. It’s all about patience, right timing and working on your craft in the meantime.


Jennifer Rofé, Senior Agent at Andrea Brown Literary Agency

from Picture Book Builders

A big part of this process for me is trying to make sure that the surface story and takeaway are strong enough to catch an editor’s attention and enable them to see the bigger picture. I’m not an editor in the way that your editor, Frances Gilbert, is and she will definitely make Bad Dog [the interviewer’s book] an even stronger, more focused, and nuanced story. But I want to be sure that a new project is as strong as the client and I can possibly make it in order to usher it forward to an editor. Another part of this process is identifying a client’s writing or illustrating tics. For example, if I may put you on the spot – one of your tics is the way you initially draw a character’s nose or mouth, so I point it out to you and encourage you to try something different. For other illustrators, it might be a specific composition that they regularly rely on. For authors, it might be word choices or story structures. A trickier part of this process is identifying if a new project is living up to a client’s potential. Is this at least as strong as their last work? Is this even stronger and representative of new heights for a client?

***

[if a project doesn’t get acquired]

Then we reevaluate. Responses from editors can help us see a flaw that we didn’t notice and we might revise from there. Or perhaps we find that the market isn’t interested in this project right now, so we shelve it – for the time being or for always. Or perhaps it’s a matter of finding the editor who connects deeply with the project. Or perhaps it’s timing – the project isn’t working right now, but in a handful of months or even a year, it has a better chance of working (for a variety of factors). Sometimes a project I think will be a hard sell can sell quickly. Sometimes a project I think is a slam dunk, won’t sell at all.

And sometimes, responses from editors will prove that you should have listened to your agent.