Only Picture Books’ 23 Favorites of 2023

Well, we’re now fully into 2024, which means I now have 100% of the picture book options from 2023 available to read and rave about. In no particular order (save alphabetical!), here are OPB’s 23 favorite picture books from 2023.

People sometimes ask how I pick these books. I have the following listed on the SUBMIT PBs tab above as my overall criteria for including a book on the blog:

  • Books that have heart.
  • Books that resonate.
  • Books that are skillfully done.
  • Books that matter.

To be a Best of 2023, though? I’m looking for even more, such as:

  • Engagement of the Imagination: Books that spark creativity and wonder, inviting young minds to explore new worlds and ideas.
  • Emotional Detail and Complexity: Stories that navigate a spectrum of feelings with nuance and depth, resonating with both young hearts and mature minds.
  • Exceptional, Vivid Writing: Narratives that are not only beautifully penned but also vibrant and evocative, creating lasting impressions.
  • Interplay Between Text and Image: A harmonious and enriching balance where words and illustrations enhance and echo each other, creating a unified storytelling experience.
  • Relevance and Timelessness: Something that speaks to the present moment while holding enduring appeal for future generations.
  • Re-​readability: Titles that invite repeated enjoyment, revealing new layers and joys with each reading.
  • Visual Storytelling: Illustrations that don’t just accompany the text but enrich the narrative, adding dimensions of meaning and engagement.

Yeah, that’s a tall order. I quite agree. But doing so many good things at once is how you get on a Best of list.

Now, any list like this is wildly subjective despite my lists above, so plenty of worthy books won’t appear here. If I missed your favorite, my apologies! Feel free to note those in the comments on this post. Perhaps I’ll be able to work them into a future roundup or list of one type or another.

Since this is running in OPB’s usual monthly Picture Book Review slot, I’m including my own 5‑word reviews for each title along with a link to the appropriates Goodreads page.

Here we go!


Autumn Peltier, Water Warrior by Carole Lindstrom, illustrated by Bridget George (19 September 2023)

OPB Five-​Word Review: Tidal wave of change inspires.

Goodreads Reviews


Beneath by Cori Doerrfeld (17 January 2023)

OPB Five-​Word Review: Hidden depths, revealed with love.

Goodreads Reviews


The Book from Far Away by Bruce Handy, illustrated by Julie Benbassat (15 August 2023)

OPB Five-​Word Review: Wordless wonder: cosmic book connection.

Goodreads Reviews


Butt or Face? by Kari Lavelle (11 July 2023)

OPB Five-​Word Review: Guessing game with cheeky charm.

Goodreads Reviews


Cape by Kevin Johnson, illustrated by Kitt Thomas (20 June 2023)

OPB Five-​Word Review: Grief, memories, and hope entwined.

Goodreads Reviews


Friends Beyond Measure by Lalena Fisher (28 February 2023)

OPB Five-​Word Review: Friendship visualized through graphic design.

Goodreads Reviews


Grief Is an Elephant by Tamara Ellis Smith, illustrated by Nancy Whitesides (23 October 2023)

OPB Five-​Word Review: Metaphorical, empathetic exploration of grief.

Goodreads Reviews


Hidden Gem by Linda Liu (11 July 2023)

OPB Five-​Word Review: Rock’s reflections, profound self-​acceptance lesson.

Goodreads Reviews


How Dinosaurs Went Extinct: A Safety Guide by Ame Dyckman, illustrated by Jennifer Harney (18 April 2023)

OPB Five-​Word Review: “Safety Guide,” dino style. UpROARious!

Goodreads Reviews


How to Write a Poem, by Kwame Alexander and Deanna Nikaido, illustrated by Melissa Sweet (4 April 2023)

OPB Five-​Word Review: Poetry’s dance in everyday moments.

Goodreads Reviews


Invisible Things by Andy J. Pizza, illustrated by Sophie Miller (18 July 2023)

OPB Five-​Word Review: Unveiling life’s unseen wonders…poetically.

Goodreads Reviews


Jumper: A Day in the Life of a Backyard Jumping Spider by Jessica Lanan (11 April 2023)

OPB Five-​Word Review: Arachnid adventure–jumping into action.

Goodreads Reviews


Mae and Gerty and the Matter with Matter by Elaine Vickers, illustrated by Erica Salcedo (17 October 2023)

OPB Five-​Word Review: Sibling scientists bond through chemistry.

Goodreads Reviews


Mama Shamsi at the Bazaar by Mojdeh Hassani and Samira Iravani, illustrated by Maya Fidwai (19 July 202)

OPB Five-​Word Review: Under chador, a world unfolds.


Mother of Sharks by Melissa Cristina Márquez, illustrated by Devin Elle Kurtz (30 May 2023)

OPB Five-​Word Review: Shark magic fuels STEAM dreams.


Our Pool by Lucy Ruth Cummins (13 June 2023)

OPB Five-​Word Review: City pool: splashtastic summer delight.

Goodreads Reviews


Paula’s Patches by Gabriella Aldeman, illustrated by Rocío Arreola Mendoza (11 July 2023)

OPB Five-​Word Review: Heartwarming tale of mending friendships.

Goodreads Reviews


Remember by Joy Harjo, illustrated by Michaela Goade (21 March 2023)

OPB Five-​Word Review: Nature’s wisdom in poetic embrace.

Goodreads Reviews


The Skull by Jon Klassen (11 July 2023)

OPB Five-​Word Review: Cozy chills: eerie, tender, captivating.

Goodreads Reviews


Spicy Spicy Hot! by Lenny Wen (19 July 2022)

OPB Five-​Word Review: Cultural connection through fiery sambal.

Goodreads Reviews


The Search for the Giant Arctic Jellyfish by Chloe Savage (5 October 2023)

OPB Five-​Word Review: Enchanting storytelling reveals hidden marvel.

Goodreads Reviews


A Vaccine Is Like a Memory by Rajani LaRocca, illustrated by Kathleen Marcotte (20 June 2023)

OPB Five-​Word Review: Inoculating minds with vaccine knowledge.

Goodreads Reviews


A Walk in the Woods by Nikki Grimes, illustrated by Jerry Pinkney and Brian Pinkney (12 September 2023)

OPB Five-​Word Review: Grief’s path leads to treasure.

Goodreads Reviews


Author Interview: Rajani LaRocca

This month’s author interview with Rajani Narasimhan LaRocca. I had a blast meeting Rajani at a Highlights event a few years ago, but when I saw her present at the 2022 FL SCBWI conference, I knew I absolutely had to have her join the OPB family and share her story in an interview. To put it in a word, she was terrific.

In addition to being a practicing physician (WOW!), she’s a talented author with a passion for creating stories that celebrate her Indian-​American heritage and introduce STEM concepts to young readers. In her brief career as a writer, LaRocca has authored several acclaimed picture books as well as books for older kid readers. It’s well worth noting that her middle-​grade novel in verse, Red, White, and Whole, was a Newbery Honoree.

In sum, she’s got a husband, a dog, two kiddos, two careers, and a lot of well-​received kidlit books. How does she do it all? Let’s find out!


RVC: Before we start, let’s clarify something important. What’s the correct way to pronounce your name? As someone with an easily mess-​up-​able name, I’m especially sensitive to such things, and I KNOW some people are saying yours incorrectly.

RL: My name is pronounced RUHJ-​née (rhymes with FUDGE-​née) La-​ROCK-​ah. Here’s a helpful audio link on Teaching Books.

RVC: Thanks for that! While I’m incredibly impressed that you attended Harvard and Harvard Medical School, I’m going to only ask you one question about your doctorness. Here goes! How did your background as a physician influence your decision to become a children’s book author?

RL: There are lots of things about that a career in medicine and a career in writing have in common, including years of practice and the need to work with a team. But the most important thing they have in common is that both, at their heart, require a fascination for and a love of people. As a doctor, it’s my honor and duty to listen to my patients and understand their stories. As an author, I do the same with my characters.

RVC: What inspired you to write your first picture book (Seven Golden Rings), and how was the journey from idea to publication?

RL: Seven Golden Rings was one of the first picture books I ever wrote! It was inspired by a logic puzzle that my uncle told me and my cousins in India when I was a kid. Decades later, I remembered that puzzle and wanted to write a story in which a character had to solve that puzzle for an important reason. It took me 70 revisions before the story was finally the way I wanted it to be! But ultimately, it found the perfect editor—Cheryl Klein, who was editorial director at Lee & Low Books at the time. Archana Sreenivasan did an incredible job of making the story and math come to life with her illustrations.

RVC: What was the most important lesson that book taught you?

RL: My son was particularly into math from a very young age, and he loved picture books that featured complex math. Seven Golden Rings continues to be a favorite when I do school visits, and it has taught me that stories that feel like folktales and deal with math can have a place in today’s picture book market.

RVC: Looking beyond Seven Golden Rings, I’m starting to notice a musical theme in your books—it’s in Midsummer’s Mayhem and Red, White, and Whole, for instance. How intentional is that?

RL: Music has been important to me since I was a child. I played classical piano since age 9, and I was and am obsessed with 80s pop music, so it’s not surprising that music plays a big role in almost all my stories: Midsummer’s Mayhem, Seven Golden Rings, Red, White, and Whole, my most recent novel, Mirror to Mirror, and my forthcoming 2024 MG fantasy, Sona and the Golden Beasts. To me, music is a powerful force that can connect us to other people across distance and time.

RVC: Even though this is a picture book blog and Red, White, and Whole is MG, I have to ask—in terms of writing craft, what’s something you’re proud about from that book?

RL: When the idea for Red, White, and Whole first came to me, I felt it should be written in verse, because it was an emotional, interior-​focused story. But although I’d written poetry and lyrical picture books, I’d never written a novel in verse before. I’m proud that I tried anyway.

RVC: Inquiring minds want to know…what was the Newbery experience like?

RL: It has been an absolutely amazing experience, from the surprise phone call the evening before the announcements, to the announcements themselves, getting to know the fellow Newbery authors—at first virtually and through reading their books, and then in person at the ALA annual conference. The 100th anniversary celebration and the Newbery-​Caldecott banquet are events that I will never forget.

RVC: I’ll bet!

RL: What a dream to be a part of American literary history! And the most mind-​blowing aspect of it all is that thanks to this award, so many readers will be reading Red, White, and Whole for years to come. As a kid who always looked for the books with the shiny stickers, I can’t believe that my book has one now.

RVC: Congrats on all that. Now, back to picture books. What has been your most rewarding experience as a picture book author so far?

RL: Seeing what talented illustrators do with my words has been incredibly joyous and humbling.

RVC: Which of your picture books do you feel most connected to and why?

RL: Oh, it’s so hard to choose just one! But I have to say that I’ll Go and Come Back, a story about a girl and her grandmother and love that stretches across the world, is very close to my heart. It was one of the first picture books I wrote, and the first one we sold, and the story is inspired by my relationship with my own grandmother.

RVC: How has your writing evolved since your first published picture book? What have you learned along the way?

RL: I think I’m a little faster at writing picture books now, but there are still picture books that take me months or years to figure out. I write from a place of joy and curiosity—that continues to drive everything I write.

RVC: Let’s go with a couple of bigger-​picture questions. Explain the type of research that goes into creating the diverse and culturally rich worlds in your books.

RL: I often write from my own lived experience, using details and descriptions that I am familiar with. I’ve been fortunate to work with illustrators who do their own meticulous research in bringing those worlds to life.

RVC: What role do you think picture books play in fostering empathy and understanding among young readers?

RL: Picture books, with their short texts and gorgeous illustrations, invite people to read them over and over. By seeing people who are both like and not like them in picture books, young readers develop respect for different people, are less likely to see them as “other,” and are more likely to see focus on the things all people have in common.

RVC: What advice would you give to aspiring picture book authors, especially those from underrepresented backgrounds?

RL: Write the story you want to write, the one that calls to you and won’t let you go.

RVC: Which picture book authors or illustrators have most inspired or influenced your own writing?

RL: During my childhood and even during my children’s childhoods, there was very little diversity in children’s picture books. I’m so grateful and proud to be publishing picture books now, with so many diverse authors and illustrators. It is very personally important to me that there are so many Indian American authors and illustrators that are publishing beautiful books today.

RVC: Let’s get practical. How do you negotiate the various demands on your time? What’s your secret? Did you figure out how Michael Keaton cloned himself in the movie Multiplicity? Did you borrow Hermione’s Time-​Turner?

RL: Haha! Almost everyone in kidlit has other things that compete for their time. My children are adults now, so I have more time than when they were little. But in general, I’ve always tried not to be too precious about when and where I write—I have worked in my (parked) car, on trains and planes, and in every room of my house. I have worked for 15 minutes at a time because that’s all the time I can spare. I try to get rid of excuses and just do what I can when I can.

RVC: I always like to ask a question about health and wellness, and here’s yours. What do you do to de-stress? 

RL: I love being outside when the weather is nice. I also find that time spent with family and friends allows me to de-stress.

RVC: Last question for this part of the interview. What’s an upcoming project or two that you’re especially excited about?

RL: Mirror to Mirror is my dual-​POV novel in verse that released in March. It’s a story about identical twin sisters, Maya and Chaya, who are very close and love each other very much. But Maya hides a terrible secret—serious anxiety that causes her a lot of pain, but she doesn’t want to tell anyone about, especially her parents. Chaya tries to help her twin, but soon realizes she’s out of her depth and tries to tell their parents. Maya stops her, and then shuts her out. Then Chaya wonders whether Maya’s anxiety is because of her, so she changes the way she looks, putting in a pink streak in her hair, and trades classical piano for show tunes and modern music so Maya doesn’t feel like she’s the competition. But instead of bringing them closer together, it pushes them further apart. In the last part of the story, the twins make a bet to switch places, pretending to be each other and playing each other’s music. Whoever lasts the longest without being discovered gets to decide what they do about high school, something they’ve been arguing about. Pretending to be each other teaches each sister about her twin … and about herself.

My next picture book, Summer Is for Cousins, is filled with sweet and stunning illustrations by Abhi Alwar, and releases May 16! It’s a story about a little boy named Ravi who is so excited to see his cousins during summer vacation. But his oldest cousin, Dhruv, is very different this year—much taller, with a deeper voice—and Ravi is worried Dhruv won’t remember all the things they used to share, including their favorite flavor of ice cream. This is a book about the sweetest joys of summer: sun, water, food, and family. You can see the book trailer here.

A Vaccine Is Like a Memory, beautifully illustrated by Kathleen Marcotte, releases June 20. It’s a picture book explaining the history of vaccines, how they work, and why they’re important. As a physician, I wanted to explain this important bit of science to young people.

Your One and Only Heart, gorgeously illustrated by Lauren Paige Conrad, releases August 15. This is a nonfiction picture book explaining the biological wonders of the human heart in paired poems.

Masal Chai, Fast and Slow, with lovely illustrations from Neha Rawat, releases September 5. It’s a picture book about Aarav, a boy who loves to go fast, and his thatha, or grandfather, who likes to take things slow. But every afternoon, they meet and make masala chai together. When Thatha sprains his ankle and can’t make chai, Aarav tries to make some for him, with hilarious results.

The Secret of the Dragon Gems, cowritten with my great friend Chris Baron, releases August 29. It’s an epistolary novel about Tripti and Sam, two kids who meet at summer camp when they find two interesting-​looking rocks and take them home to their homes in Massachusetts and California. Then they start corresponding via letter, email, text, and video chat, because strange things keep happening, and they start to wonder whether the rocks might be something other than rocks.

RVC: Whew, that’s a whole lot of goodness coming out, Rajani. Well done, but now it’s time for the thing you’ve been waiting for. It’s the very thing that make most people agree to be part of OPB, in fact. It’s…the end-​of-​interview LIGHTNING ROUND! Prepare yourself for six speedy questions that I trust will elicit six zippy answers. Are you ready?

RL: Yes!

RVC: What makes your eyes roll every time you hear it?

RL: “Irregardless.”

RVC: If someone overhears you singing in the shower, you’re probably belting out…

RL: an 80s tune!

RVC: Best 80s trend that should absolutely 100% be brought back immediately.

RL: Leggings (already back!)

RVC: What’s a STEM topic that isn’t yet covered well enough in picture books?

RL: More books about human biology! I’m trying to contribute more to this myself.

RVC: What’s a recent terrific STEM picture book that attention than it got?

RL: The Fire of Stars by Kirsten Larson and Katherine Roy, a PB bio of astrophysicist and astronomer Cecelia Payne which is combined with the story of the formation of a star, is an absolutely brilliant book.

RVC: If you could choose one key takeaway for a reader of your picture books, what would it be?

RL: There are all kinds of families and all kinds of joy. My picture books try to explore both.

RVC: Thanks so much, Rajani!

RL: Thanks so much for having me, Ryan!

Conference Roundup: SCBWI Florida 2022 Conference Report

Normally, the third Monday of the month means an Industry Insider Interview, which is me doing a deep dive into the career of a single editor, agent, or other picture book industry person. But since I just got back from the rousing success that was the May 2022 SCBWI Florida conference in Orlando, I’m instead creating a new OPB feature–a Conference Roundup–since I want to share some of the best nuggets of industry wisdom that I jotted down during my three days there. Some comes from agents, some comes from editors, some comes from authors, and some comes from illustrators–but it’s ALL good.

To help give you a sense of what it was like to be there, I’ll include a few photos, as appropriate.

**Everything listed below came directly from my scribbled notes. Any mistakes or misunderstandings are likely mine. If you’re one of the folks I quoted below and you’d like me to amend my quote, please just let me know!**


Bruce Coville, author of My Teacher Is an Alien

In the words of Winston Churchill to the people of England during WWII, never give up, never give up, never, never, never give up.”

One of the most pernicious ideas that spreads in American culture is the meme of the starving artist. You can only do good work when you have to type in the cold with little fingerless gloves–there’s a reason for this idea. It’s culturally useful. Artists who are doing their job right are dangerous. And the whole point of the meme of the starving artist is to keep us unequal, less able to do our important, life-​changing work. Whether it’s good or bad, it’s supposed to  make you think. There’s nothing the dominant culture wants less than people who think, because you can’t think without knowing if you need to change. Teachers have this horrible dual obligation. They’re supposed to maintain the status quo AND teach kids. You can’t do both. They are mutually exclusive. If these people learn to think, they’re going to think about all the stuff that’s going on that’s wrong. But our job as artists is to lead kids to think by the stories we give.”


Brett Duquette, Executive Editor of Little Bee Books

Revising can be hard. One idea is to take it like a cake in layers. Don’t try and do everything at the same time. Because if you’re like me, all you’ll do is just work on making verbs and nouns prettier. Have a language layer or a plot layer or a character layer. It might help to think about it like you’re painting.”

When I was younger, my brother gave me a photo of myself as a baby and said, Would you be mean to that person? So, if you’re hard on yourself, look at a photo of yourself as a child, and remember that you deserve love. Be gentle to yourself.”


Sophia Gholz, author of Bug on a Rug

I love to cross promote between a school and a bookstore…I’ll call up a store in a nearby city. I’m Sophia Gholz. I’m a children’s book author. I’m going to possibly do some local school events. I would love to do a book signing, or just stop by and say hello and maybe sign some stock. If they say yes, follow up with an email that says, ‘Do you guys have any local schools that in particular you’ve worked with, or that you recommend I reach out to?’ Sometimes they’ll put you in contact with the school, but sometimes I’ll find a local school nearby myself. Hey, I’m Sophia Gholz. I’ve already spoken to this local bookstore, I would love to come in while I’m in town, and do a school visit or two. I’d love to present to your kids. And while I’m there, you know that I’ve already spoken to so-​and-​so bookstore and they’re happy to support and supply books for the school visit. The school is going to love this, and the bookstore is going to love you coming in, too.”

Myth number five is that authors must be present on social media. Authors do NOT have to be present on social media. In fact, I know some authors who have walked away because it was toxic–Twitter, specifically, but sometimes all social media. Yet their publisher said, We would like you to be back on at least Twitter and Instagram. So, I’d say Twitter and Instagram are pretty important. Personally, I think social media is a big deal. Do you HAVE to be on it? No, but you can have a presence on all the platforms and not be active. Still, I think having a presence is vital because that’s the first way people are going to look you up these days. So, even if you just have a page with a link to your website, I think it’s important to at least have a presence. That being said, I think it’s important to engage.”


Aneeka Kalia, Associate Editor @ Viking Children’s Books

Be patient, be persistent, and be kind to yourself.”


Rajani LaRocca, author of Red, White, and Whole

Be open to new ideas but also to input.”

Joy McCullough was my mentor, and she gave me an amazing edit letter [on Midsummer’s Mayhem]. She loved my book, but her big suggestion was to get rid of a main character…I was so terrified. But I started two revisions, one with him, one without him. Three chapters in, I was like, He’s got to go. And once more, I rewrote the book that took me three years to write…in the end, I had four agent offers, and I chose Brent Taylor.”


Laurent Linn, Author and Art Director at Simon & Schuster

Be true to your purpose. Because your purpose is one of the few things in life that you control.”

Be honest with your readers or readers who aren’t reading yet…no matter what their age or stage of development.”


Jacqui Lipton, owner of Raven Quill Literary Agency

Be professional. It’s so easy to get angry with agents and editors in the industry, and then go out on Twitter and do crazy things. Do that in the privacy of your own thoughts.”

If you like what Jacqui has to say, you’re in luck–she’s the subject of the June 2022 Insider Interview!


Pat Zietlow Miller, author of Be Strong

Read books by people with different life experiences than yours.”

Support other authors no matter where they are in their journey.”

Finding time [to write] was actually the hardest one for me. When I started, I had a full-​time corporate job, I had two kids at home, and I wanted to see them before school, after school, and on weekends. So, the time that was left was after they were in bed, because I wasn’t going to not see my kids. Something else had to go. For me, no television, less exercising, less socializing, less sleeping…I’ve heard Kate DiCamillo talk, and before she became KATE DICAMILLO, she got up at an extremely early hour and wrote before she went to her day job. That would never work for me. I’m not a morning person–can’t do it. But I could do late at night. I know authors who write entire novels in little bits and pieces of time. While they’re in the carpool line waiting to pick up the kids or while they’re freezing in the bleachers while watching their kids practice hockey.”

If you want to hear more from Pat, you’re in luck. Pat will be the subject of our June 2022 Author Interview. Watch for it in a few weeks!


Dan Santat, author/​illustrator of The Adventures of Beekle: The Unimaginary Friend

Cultivate a sense of taste. Look into all things–movies, music, books. Find out why something is good, why something is bad. If something isn’t to your taste or your liking, find out why other people like it. Because when you’re editing your own work, and you’re asking yourself Is this good? you can base that off of the knowledge gained from other things. The other one is always continue to grow. You can never settle. I’ve been in this business for 18 years. And over time, if you do the same things over and over again, the process gets stale. So, always evolve. Don’t be afraid to change.”

When I first wrote my first book, I had a perception in my mind of what being a child was like, but it didn’t match what children actually were thinking. What happens is that when you get older, you have this really polished, idealized view of what your childhood was like. And then when you actually see kids, it’s messy, it’s chaotic. But that’s the true way kids are–you have to really get yourself into that mindset.”

I don’t create a character and then write a story. I create a concept, and then I find a character that creates the biggest conflict to that concept. So, create a character that best reflects the idea you want to express. Let’s say you have a story about needing to be quicker, or that things must be done quickly. A turtle would be the greatest adversary to something like that. Being messy, or a story about neatness? A garbage truck would be a great character that has to deal with that issue. Falling? Humpty Dumpty. It’s sad, but if I just say Humpty Dumpty, the first thing you think of is the fall, right?”


Taryn Souders, author of Dead Possums Are Fair Game

[At school visits], it’s really cute because you are their favorite author that day. And they will say You’ve been my favorite author my whole life! and I’ve even gone to them and asked, Really? Which one of my books is your favorite? And they’ll say, I haven’t read any of them yet. So, you’re going to be their favorite whether they’ve heard of you or not. And it’s great. You’ll never leave a school visit feeling deflated.”

You definitely want to make sure that you are practicing in a mirror. It’s so cliché, I know it. But you’re going to think you’re making a really friendly expression and you’re actually terrifying or something. So you want to look in a mirror. Make sure that whatever expression you’re making throughout your presentation, it’s engaging and portrays, Hey, I’m fun, I’m safe!


Jennifer Swanson, author of Footprints Across the Planet

Find a critique group and get them to tell you stuff. But listen–your job is to tell the story correctly. If they don’t get it, you didn’t do your job right.”

For those of you that don’t know, educational publishing, is typically work for hire, which means they give you a flat fee, you get no royalties, and they come up with ideas. They tell you what to write. Trade publishing, of course, is royalties with an advance, and you come up with an idea. So, there’s a difference between the two. But if you want to get into nonfiction, a really great place to start is educational publishing.”


Joyce Sweeney, literary agent at The Seymour Agency

Go ahead and feel the sorrow when something bad happens in your career, then get back up and say, Okay, well, what can I do now? What’s the next thing?