Author/​Illustrator Interview: Kaz Windness

This month’s Author/​Illustrator Interview is with Kaz Windness, who—like me!—is a member of the PB23’s picture book group.

I’ve been watching the Herculean efforts she’s put into that group to support the work of other creatives, and that alone is worthy of kudos, praise, and deep-​dish pizza. But wait…there’s more! She’s also an author/​illustrator who’s created several picture books as well as Ready-​to-​Read books like Worm and Caterpillar Are Friends and Cat vs. Vac. Did I mention she created a book called Mother Goth Rhymes? And If UR Stabby?

Perhaps more important, Kaz is a dog person. Specifically “squishy-​faced dogs.” And waffles. And all things Halloween. And thrifting.

And she has a black belt in TaeKwon-Do.

Are you ready to learn even more about Kaz? I sure am!


RVC: Let’s start with a really important topic that’s absolutely not the “correct” biographically chronological way to start an interview. How have you used your platform as an author and illustrator to advocate for neurodivergent individuals?

KW: Anytime anyone can be vulnerable and talk openly about their differences, it’s helps others gain confidence to be vulnerable, too. Neurodivergence is many things, not just autism, and I’ve found that talking about being autistic has helped others get their own autism or ADHD diagnosis, or feel confident in talking about their depression or anxiety. Maybe it’s the autism, but I don’t think any topic should be off-​limits or closeted. I would much rather you told me about your trauma than about the weather or what you had for lunch—unless you had waffles, then tell me all about it! Point being, things that are hidden get twisted.

When we talk, we learn, we heal, and we understand ourselves and our world better. We also make connections, and the ND community is amazing!

RVC: Could you explain how your experience as an autistic individual informs your storytelling? How do you think this perspective contributes to the field of children’s literature?

KW: For one, children’s books are my special interest and always have been. Being passionate about children’s literature informs my understanding of good storytelling, what is happening in the children’s book market, and it inspires my art. Every book I create is plumbing my own psyche in some way, and that includes analyzing how being autistic in a world not designed for me has been difficult, but also how my specialness is something I cherish. I absolutely love hyper-​fixating on a story idea or solving the best turn of phrase or figuring out the just-​right color palette. Those are things that delight me as an autistic person, and that works out nicely for the line of work I’m in.

RVC: Your book Bitsy Bat, School Star (note the OPB piece on it right here! ) uses a bat to symbolize being autistic. How did you come up with this metaphor, and why do you think it’s an effective way to explain neurodivergence to children?

KW: Bats are a big special interest of mine and one of my favorite animals to draw. I created a couple cute and spooky bat picture book concepts, but my publisher wasn’t interested in Halloween books from me.

One day I struck up a conversation with one of my college illustration students–someone who is autistic like me–about growing up neurodivergent. I compared it to being like a bat in a school for mice. Everything can feel upside down, and when I tried to act like everyone else, it made me feel more confused, upset, and more prone to meltdown or shutdown. I began to realize bats were the perfect symbol for being autistic. “Bitsy Bat, School Star” gives voice to a character who is female-​presenting and coded as a high-​masking autistic. This specific perspective isn’t well-​covered, but it’s applicable to many autistic children and relatable to any kid who has ever felt like they are different or misunderstood.

RVC: Thanks for the backstory with that! How important do you believe representation of neurodivergence is in children’s literature, and why?

KW: There are a lot of children’s books on the topic of autism. The number of books isn’t the problem. It’s who has been telling those stories and whose voices aren’t being heard that is what we need to work on. There is so much deeply harmful ableism in the world, so it’s important to let those who are of those group tell their own stories. We are infantized, talked over, and treated like we have a disease that needs a cure. (See also: eugenics.) I also want to take a moment acknowledge that black, brown, non-​speaking and high support needs autistics need more room in this conversation, too.

RVC: Let’s go backwards now. Can you tell us a bit about your journey to becoming a children’s picture book author and illustrator? What inspired you to follow this path?

KW: We were a bookish household without a TV, and my mom read to us constantly. The moment I laid my eyes on Where the Wild Things Are by Maurice Sendak, I decided I was going to become a children’s book author and illustrator.

I went to art school for children’s book illustration and I teach at my alma mater. I also attended children’s book writing and illustrating conferences, entered portfolio showcase contests, and was discovered by my agent in NYC after 15 years of trying to figure out how to break in. I’m ready ready now.

RVC: Awesome! Now, what’s the story behind your first published picture book?

KW: Swim, Jim! is my debut authored and illustrated picture book. It came out last year and just won the Colorado Book Award for children’s literature. The idea came from seeing an article in the Miami Herald featuring a crocodile crossing a canal on a pool noodle. I drew a picture of him, and my agent said “write it!” so I did. It was rejected 65 times before going into auction and publishing with Simon & Schuster.

RVC: Wow, that’s persistent. What’s the most valuable lesson that experience taught you?

KW: One of the great things about it taking so long to get publishing momentum is I know who I am, what I want to say, and I have the confidence and experience to produce good quality work in a short amount of time.

RVC: How has your teaching experience at the Rocky Mountain College of Art + Design (your alma mater!) influenced your writing and illustration work?

KW: I’m for sure a better artist. Figuring out how to revise and improve what isn’t working in student work has applied directly to me improving my own work. I also just love teaching. The students inspire me constantly and are amazing people. I get to do my special interest all day.

RVC: Can you give us an insight into how you balance the text and illustrations in your picture books? How do they complement each other to tell the story?

KW: What they don’t tell you before you break in is that a lot of the direction the story takes, including how much text, how many pages, and general style direction, is a collaboration. As an illustrator-​only, I generally prefer sparse text so the illustrations can do the heavy lifting for the storytelling. For a story like Bitsy’s, more text was needed, and I’m working with an editor that wants to make sure there is a lot of clarity for the reader in the text. It’s still my ideas and my voice, but I will be coached to clarify, explain, and add story beats. I still want the art to elevate the story and go beyond what the text is doing. Show, don’t tell. I’m always looking to distill the most important idea of the text into an illustration that makes you feel something.

RVC: Could you talk about how that happened with If UR Stabby, which isn’t exactly a picture book, but it’s funny. And stabby!

KW: “Allegedly” happened. I take the 5th. It’s not a children’s book, let’s be clear.

RVC: Fair enough!

KW: My publisher for Mother Goth Rhymes, Hermes Press, asked me for another book and said I could do whatever I wanted, so I did. Stabby is a lovable, cantankerous unicorn who deals with life the only way he knows how–horn first. It’s a humorous collection of comics, art parody, and tarot cards (you just have to see the book to understand), and it’s dark. It was cathartic for me to be creating Stabby during the pandemic, and it came out while we were still in the thick of it, so cathartic for others, too.

RVC: You’ve worked on various formats from picture books to graphic novels and early readers. How does your process differ for each one?

KW: Storytelling is storytelling. Almost always, I get the book idea from a sketch and I ask myself what story that character wants to tell, and then I go about writing it. I also don’t think panels are all that much different than any other kind of illustration composition, you just need to know how to use speech bubbles, and for early readers, get the story down into minimal words. Again, it’s another puzzle to solve, and I love solving word puzzles.

RVC: Your books are known for their character-​driven narratives. What process do you follow to create such vivid and relatable characters?

KW: Can I offer a shameless plug instead of an answer?

RVC: Sure!

KW: I teach a class on this at CuddlefishAcademy.com. It’s called Hook! Plot! Pitch! and talks about premise hooks, plotting, and selling your books.

RVC: In your opinion, what elements are essential to create a great picture book?

KW: Honesty, heart. Books should be told with sincerity and by people who either care about children or are willing to be vulnerable about their own childhoods. This isn’t just not a side hustle, it’s a terrible side hustle. Don’t let those get-​rich-​quick TikTok’s fool you. If you are passionate about children’s books, that’s the “why.”

RVC: Tell me about a project or accomplishment that you consider to me the most significant in your career.

KW: Winning the Colorado Book Award for my debut written and illustrated picture book, Swim, Jim! was a real honor. An illustrator friend recently told me that they expect good an unexpected things to happen, and this was definitely one of those things for me. Here’s to more of that!

RVC: What about a time when things didn’t go the way you wanted?

KW: You are asking someone who took 20 years to break in. I will wear out my keyboard if I get into that here.

RVC: What trends have you observed in children’s publishing, and how do you feel they’re influencing the industry?

KW: We are all writing about what we recently experienced, so everyone is submitting grief books right now. I saw a trend in isolation and catastrophic storm books because as a metaphor for COVID and quarantine, and then I saw a trend in what I call “ampersand books,”—that is to say friend books like Worm and Caterpillar are Friends, because we were missing our friends and those narratives were wish fulfillment for renewed connections. I’m currently seeing a lot of tree books, and even have one coming out early next year (Ollie, the Acorn, and the Mighty Idea written by Andrew Hacket/​Page Street Kids). Maybe it’s commentary on environmental concerns or the need for deep roots to survive—maybe both. I would caution authors not to follow trends. Instead, write the book only you can write. Dig into your psyche and pull out your truthiest truths, and tell that story. It takes way too long for a book to publish to ever be on trend. Be YOU.

RVC: What advice do you have for aspiring authors and illustrators who want to break into children’s publishing?

KW: Get professional feedback. Get manuscript and portfolio reviews. Work with a critique group. You’ll get better, and you’ll get support. (CuddlefishAcademy.com offers coaching and critiques.)

RVC: One final question for this part of the interview. What’s something upcoming that you’re excited about, or really want to promote?

KW: It’s back to school time and Bitsy Bat, School Star is perfect for getting kiddos ready for school, and is a perfect ice breaker for first day of school, and it sets the year off right by recognizing the specialness of every child. Free lesson plans at www.BitsyBat.com!

RVC: Okey-​dokey, Kaz. Let’s buckle down and get super serious because it’s time for THE SPEED ROUND! Wahoo! Sizzling swift questions and flappy fast answers, please. Are you ready?

KW: Yes!

RVC: Most misunderstood thing: UFOs, ghosts, or psychic abilities? 

KW: Psychic abilities.

RVC: Pepperoni. Great deep-​dish pizza topping, or the GREATEST deep-​dish pizza topping?

KW: I love broccoli on pizza. Do with that what you will.

RVC: If you could have a conversation with your future self, what advice would you ask for?

KW: Tell me I won’t have to work this hard later on. Tell me that my books will eventually have their own momentum so I can spend more of my energy on creating them rather than promoting them. Tell me that the rock I’m pushing up this hill will eventually roll down the other side and not back onto me. I don’t know if that is advice, per se, but it’s what I would hope to hear.

RVC: A picture book writer (living or deceased) you’d LOVE to illustrate for?

KW: Illustrating is hard. That’s so much pressure! While I’d love to get a big commercial illustration gig, I am THRILLED when someone else illustrates my words. Heather Brockman-​Lee just illustrated When You Love a Book (Viking/​Flamingo Fall 2024) and that was a dream come true. I’m also a huge fan of LeUyen Pham and I would evaporate out of my body and become a cloud in the heavens if she illustrated one of my books.

RVC: Favorite LGBTQIA+ picture book?

KW: I’m super excited for Molly’s Tuxedo by Vicki Johnson.

RVC: Best thing a kid has said about your books?

KW: I’ve had a few people send me pictures of their kids taking my books to bed with them, usually falling asleep with them on their face. Those pictures are better testimonials than words.

RVC: Thanks so much, Kaz! Here’s hoping you can finally convince your agent and editor to let you draw a toilet in a picture book someday. Ah, to have super-​duper scatological dreams….

KW: A toilet someday! Thanks for the opportunity!

Picture Book Review: How the Sea Came to Be by Jennifer Berne (illustrated by Amanda Hall)

Author: Jennifer Berne
Illustrator: Amanda Hall
Eerdmans Books for Young Readers
25 April 2023
56 pages

This month’s PB review is by Ryan G. Van Cleave (Owner/​Operator of Only Picture Books) and Florida-​based author/​illustrator Loreen Leedy.

 

–Ryan’s Review of the Writing–

Jennifer Berne’s new picture book, How the Sea Came to Be, is an evocative and captivating exploration into Earth’s aquatic history. The storytelling (divided into three parts—The Birth of the Sea, The Birth of Life, and All That the Sea Came To Be) combines elements of geology, oceanography, biology, and evolution. Written in rhyming verse quatrains, the narrative is as much a lyrical journey as it is an educational resource, offering readers an overview of over 4.5 billion years of oceanic history. Yeah, that’s a lot of room to cover, and she manages it on in a robust 56 pages.

The vivid imagery created by the text grips from the outset, with descriptions that bring to life the primal chaos of the earth’s formative years. I’m also a fan of how Berne goes beyond rhyming to include alliteration (“They blazed and they blasted and boomed”) that add to the meter (mostly iambic) which makes this a fun read-aloud.

Accompanying Berne’s textual journey are Amanda Hall’s mixed media illustrations. I’ll let Loreen dive deeper into those (like the watery pun?), but I find them to be integral components of the learning journey, adding richness to the storytelling. The layout of each spread invites exploration and appreciation, with the varied marine life forms being depicted in their natural, multi-​layered aquatic habitats. I wish there were clearer labels directly on the art, but most of what’s shown is either in the main text or the extensive back matter. The full-​page notes from both creators, glossary, full-​spread chart of “Ocean Creatures Over Time,” and recommended readings and resources adds an extra layer of depth (is that another ocean pun?) that will no doubt be a welcome addition for the home school and classroom market.

It’s a challenge to simplify and present complex scientific concepts in a way that’s both accessible and engaging to young readers. For the most part, that’s what happens here. Ultimately, this picture book inspires curiosity and invites questions about our world’s natural history, making it a solid resource for young scientists or anyone with a keen interest in the marine world.

4.5 out of 5 pencils

 

–Loreen’s Review of the Illustrations–

The rhyming text and impressive illustrations in this nonfiction book present a whirlwind tour of the earth’s oceans from the earliest moments in prehistory up to the present day. Colorfully complex endpapers give a sneak peek of the visual delights to come. Every page invites readers to explore the vastly different environments that once existed (or still exist) on our planet.

Earth’s early period of cosmic bombardment and erupting volcanoes appear in dramatic compositions of orange, black, and white. Monochromatic scenes depict a cooling, rainy world with brand new oceans full of crashing waves. Life begins microscopically small yet with pulsating energy, pictured as tiny circles/​cells that expand into more numerous and complex forms. Soon, simple but more recognizable animals such as sponges and jellyfish cling to rocks or float in the salty waters.

A delightful close-​up view of a worm wriggling along the ocean floor conveys an important milestone in the history of life: the ability to travel in a desired direction. Hard-​shelled arthropods scuttle and swim through a viridian and magenta frieze. One illustration requires a 90-​degree turn of the book to explore the dark depths of the sea where unusual, even glowing creatures dwell. Each spread moves forward in time as cephalopods, fish, reptiles, and whales wander the seven seas in their turn.

The animals are drawn and painted in a lightly stylized, realistic way with a hint of friendly charm. Technical jargon is avoided in the main text, while the back matter provides additional in-​depth information such as an illustrated fold-​out chart of geological eras. Curiously, plants are not mentioned despite their vital role in the food chain. Aside from that quibble, this is a terrific book to engage young readers in learning about major ocean-​related developments in prehistory. The beautifully designed artwork is outstanding throughout with numerous details for young readers to examine and enjoy.

4.5 out of 5 crayons


Loreen Leedy is the author and illustrator of over 45 picture books for children. Most of them include educational content such as math, science, language arts, and social studies topics, presented with humor and enthusiasm. Her titles include My Teacher Is a Dinosaur and Other Prehistoric Poems, Jokes, Riddles, & Amazing Facts; Fraction Action; Measuring Penny; and Crazy Like a Fox: A Simile Story. She lives with her husband on a rural property in central Florida.

Picture Book List: 15 Terrific Books About Teachers

It’s back-​to-​school time, so what better way to celebrate the awesome teachers in our lives than to put together a list of fun picture books about teachers, schools, and students?

If I missed any of your favorites, drop a note in the comments. Enjoy!


A Bad Case of Stripes by David Shannon (March 1998)

From Goodreads: “‘What we have here is a bad case of stripes. One of the worst I’ve ever seen!’ Camilla Cream loves lima beans, but she never eats them. Why? Because the other kids in her school don’t like them. And Camilla Cream is very, very worried about what other people think of her. In fact, she’s so worried that she’s about to break out in…a bad case of stripes!”

Pages: 32
Reading Age: 3–7


Chrysanthemum by Kevin Henkes (September 1991)

From Goodreads: “Chrysanthemum thinks her name is absolutely perfect—until her first day of school. “You’re named after a flower!” teases Victoria.
“Let’s smell her,” says Jo.

Chrysanthemum wilts. What will it take to make her blossom again?”

Pages: 32
Reading Age: 2–6


Each Kindness by Jacqueline Woodson, illustrated by E.B. Lewis ? (October 2012)

From Goodreads: “Chloe doesn’t really know why she turns away from the new girl, Maya, when Maya tries to befriend her. And every time Maya asks if she can play with Chloe and the other girls, the answer is always no. So Maya ends up playing alone. And then one day she’s gone.

When Chloe’s teacher gives a lesson about how even small acts of kindness can change the world, Chloe is stung by the opportunity that’s been lost. How much better could it have been if she’d just shown Maya a little kindness and opened her heart to friendship?”

Pages: 32
Reading Age: 6–10


Here Comes Teacher Cat by Deborah Underwood, illustrated by Claudia Rueda (August 2017)

From Goodreads: “It’s back to school for the New York Times bestselling Cat when he steps in as a substitute teacher.

Cat is not pleased to be tapped as substitute teacher. Not only is it cutting into his naptime, but a roomful of kittens is a little … much. At school, Cat follows the lesson plan of music, building, and painting–only in gradually more mischief-​making Cat style. By the end, Cat has learned a thing or two about inspiring others by being himself. But even more heart-​melting and humorous is what these adorable kittens have learned from Cat.”

Pages: 88
Reading Age: 3–5


Lilly’s Purple Plastic Purse by Kevin Henkes (May 1996)

From Goodreads: “Hooray For Lilly!

Lilly loves everything about school, especially her teacher, Mr. Slinger. But when Lilly brings her new favorite things

movie star sunglasses (complete with diamonds)
three quarters (shiny ones)
a purple plastic purse (it plays lively music when opened)

to school, and insists on showing them to everyone even though it is not Sharing Time, Mr. Slinger is not amused. In fact, Mr. Slinger confiscates her prized possessions. Lilly’s fury leads to revenge and then to remorse as she sets out to make amends, in this modern classic by the beloved Kevin Henkes.”

Pages: 40
Reading Age: 3–6


My Teacher Is a Monster by Peter Brown (July 2014)

From Goodreads: “Bobby has a problem. You see, his teacher is a monster. But when Bobby runs into his teacher outside of school, he learns there is more to her than meets the eye.”

Pages: 40
Reading Age: 3–9


The Dot by Peter H. Reynolds (September 2003)

From Goodreads: “With a simple, witty story and free-​spirited illustrations, Peter H. Reynolds entices even the stubbornly uncreative among us to make a mark — and follow where it takes us.

Her teacher smiled. “Just make a mark and see where it takes you.”

Art class is over, but Vashti is sitting glued to her chair in front of a blank piece of paper. The words of her teacher are a gentle invitation to express herself. But Vashti can’t draw — she’s no artist. To prove her point, Vashti jabs at a blank sheet of paper to make an unremarkable and angry mark. “There!” she says.

That one little dot marks the beginning of Vashti’s journey of surprise and self-​discovery. That special moment is the core of Peter H. Reynolds’s delicate fable about the creative spirit in all of us.”

Pages: 32
Reading Age: 4–7


Enemy Pie by Derek Munson, illustrated by Tara Calahan King (September 2000)

From Goodreads: “It was the perfect summer. That is, until Jeremy Ross moved into the house down the street and became neighborhood enemy number one. Luckily Dad had a surefire way to get rid of enemies: Enemy Pie. But part of the secret recipe is spending an entire day playing with the enemy! In this funny yet endearing story, one little boy learns an effective recipes for turning your best enemy into your best friend. Accompanied by charming illustrations, Enemy Pie serves up a sweet lesson in the difficulties and ultimate rewards of making new friends.”

Pages: 40
Reading Age: 3–6


How Full Is Your Bucket? (for kids) by Tom Rath and Mary Reckmeyer, illustrated by Maurie J. Manning (April 2009)

From Goodreads: “Through the story of a little boy named Felix, this charming book explains to children how being kind not only helps others, it helps them, too. As he goes about his day, Felix interacts with different people — his sister Anna, his grandfather, other family and friends. Some people are happy, but others are grumpy or sad. Using the metaphor of a bucket and dipper, Felix’ grandfather explains why the happy people make Felix feel good, while the others leave him feeling bad — and how Felix himself is affecting others, whether he means to or not. This beautifully illustrated adaptation takes the original book’s powerful message — that the way we relate to others has a profound effect on every aspect of our lives — and tailors it to a child’s unique needs and level of understanding.”

Pages: 32
Reading Age: 3–7


The Important Book by Margaret Wise Brown, illustrated by Leonard Weisgard (May 1999)

From Goodreads: “Goodnight Moon creator Margaret Wise Brown’s The Important Book is a deceptively simple exercise–taking familiar things like an apple, spoon, or shoe, and finding the most basic association with those things. The most important thing about an apple? It is round. A spoon? You eat with it. A shoe? You put your foot in it. But why, according to Brown, is the most important thing about grass “that it is green,” while the most important thing about an apple is “that it is round”? Why is “that it is white” the most important thing about snow and a daisy? Whether or not you’d distill these things in the same way that the author does, Brown makes us think about the essence of everyday entities in new ways. The illustrations, by Caldecott Medal winner Leonard Weisgard (The Little Island), perform the same function–capturing the spoonness of spoons, the roundness of an apple, the motion of wind.”

Pages: 24
Reading Age: 4–9


The Invisible Boy by Trudy Ludwig, illustrated by Patrice Barton (October 2013)

From Goodreads: “Meet Brian, the invisible boy. Nobody ever seems to notice him or think to include him in their group, game, or birthday party… until, that is, a new kid comes to class.

When Justin, the new boy, arrives, Brian is the first to make him feel welcome. And when Brian and Justin team up to work on a class project together, Brian finds a way to shine.

From esteemed author and speaker Trudy Ludwig and acclaimed illustrator Patrice Barton, this gentle story shows how small acts of kindness can help children feel included and allow them to flourish. Any parent, teacher, or counselor looking for material that sensitively addresses the needs of quieter children will find The Invisible Boy a valuable and important resource.”

Pages: 40
Reading Age: 5–8


The Kissing Hand by Audrey Penn, illustrated by Ruth E. Harper and Nancy M. Leak (January 2003)

From Goodreads: “Chester Raccoon is very scared and nervous about his first day of school. His mom helps to solve his anxiety in a very special way that involves the kissing hand.”

Pages: 32
Reading Age: 2–6


The Name Jar by Yangsook Choi (October 2003)

From Goodreads: “The new kid in school needs a new name! Or does she?

Being the new kid in school is hard enough, but what about when nobody can pronounce your name? Having just moved from Korea, Unhei is anxious that American kids will like her. So instead of introducing herself on the first day of school, she tells the class that she will choose a name by the following week.

Her new classmates are fascinated by this no-​name girl and decide to help out by filling a glass jar with names for her to pick from. But while Unhei practices being a Suzy, Laura, or Amanda, one of her classmates comes to her neighborhood and discovers her real name and its special meaning.

On the day of her name choosing, the name jar has mysteriously disappeared. Encouraged by her new friends, Unhei chooses her own Korean name and helps everyone pronounce it—Yoon-​Hey.”

Pages: 40
Reading Age: 3–6


The Recess Queen by Alexis O’Neill, illustrated by Laura Huliska-​Beith (February 2002)

From Goodreads: “A fresh & original twist on the common issue of bullying. Kids will relate, & parents & teachers will appreciate the story’s deft handling of conflict resolution (which happens w/​o adult intervention) Mean Jean was Recess Queen and nobody said any different. Nobody swung until Mean Jean swung. Nobody kicked until Mean Jean kicked. Nobody bounced until Mean Jean bounced. If kids ever crossed her, she’d push ’em and smoosh ’em lollapaloosh ’em, hammer ’em, slammer ’em kitz and kajammer ’em. Until a new kid came to school! With her irrepressible spirit, the new girl dethrones the reigning recess bully by becoming her friend in this infectious playground romp.”

Pages: 32
Reading Age: 5–7


School’s First Day of School by Adam Rex, illustrated by Christian Robinson (June 2016)

From Goodreads: “It’s the first day of school at Frederick Douglass Elementary and everyone’s just a little bit nervous, especially the school itself. What will the children do once they come? Will they like the school? Will they be nice to him?

The school has a rough start, but as the day goes on, he soon recovers when he sees that he’s not the only one going through first-​day jitters.”

Pages: 40
Reading Age: 5–6

Editor Interview: Celia Lee (Simon & Schuster Books for Young Readers)

Welcome to Celia Lee, an executive editor at Simon & Schuster Books for Young Readers, where she works with creators on all things illustrated, from picture books and early illustrated chapter books and middle grade to graphic novels for all ages.

The list of authors and illustrators she’s partnered with is wow-​worthy. To name just a few:

Celia previously worked at Scholastic, where, in addition to editing, she helped start their employee diversity committee as well as coördinated their partnership with We Need Diverse Books ™. She also served for two years as a member of the Children’s Book Council (CBC) Diversity Committee and is a mentor for POC in Publishing.

As far as academic credentials go, Celia studied English Literature and Art History at Virginia Tech and earned a MS in Publishing from NYU.

Let’s learn more about Celia and her work right now!


RVC: Rumor has it that you were a fan of Charlotte’s Web as a child. What about E.B. White’s book appealed so much?

CL: Fan was an understatement–I was obsessed! I think it was the first book I read that made me feel like I was important and that I could handle important topics, like death and growing up. I have always had a penchant for being mopey and melancholy and White’s lines about the changing of the seasons and our state of existence spoke to me in a way that made me realize books could really see you.

Plus, spiders really are heroes!

RVC: I’ve been a lifelong fan of White myself. Not as much for Charlotte’s Web or The Elements of Style–which are both terrific–but rather this letter he wrote. Have you encountered it before? 

CL: Yes! It’s deliciously perfect–I’ve been keeping that line handy in my mind palace for when I really have to back out of something with style. 🙂

RVC: Yeah, White’s pretty terrific. Now, back to you! At what point did you realize you were going to work in publishing? That English Lit + Art History combo platter has me wondering…as does that internship with the American Physiological Society!

CL: I actually sort of suspected maybe publishing was a possibility during my senior year of high school. I had a wonderful and inspiring AP English Lit teacher, Mr. Craver, who mentioned that working in books was a thing and that was the tiny little hopeful spark I held onto and kept feeding and feeding all throughout college with my coursework.

The APS internship was a little bit random! I was going to move to New York in the fall for grad school, but I needed a job that summer and I found the posting on Craigslist. I helped out in their communications department, drafting press releases on scientific studies. It was fun to learn about something totally different, and I got to talk to scientists and people excited about science!

RVC: After your undergrad degree at Virginia Tech, you earned an MS in Publishing from NYU. How common is it now for agents and editors to earn advanced degrees or certificates in publishing? 

CL: This is all very unscientific, but I’d say about a quarter of the folks I know working in publishing have an advanced degree or certificate. It’s by no means mandatory, but for a lot of us that went down that path it was a way to get the foot in the door–many of us came from places that were not close to NYC where the major publishers are. It provided access to folks working in the industry and fostered connections. I’m not sure if that’s the same for people in programs now, though, since so much of the industry has changed since the beginning of the pandemic.

RVC: What are some of the most useful things you learned in that program?

CL: Learning about the practical business stuff has been very useful. I took a great class on project management that has saved me tons of times on projects, that’s for sure.

RVC: Let’s get from Then until Now(ish). Could you briefly describe your career journey leading up to your role as Executive Editor at Simon & Schuster Books for Young Readers?

CL: After a stint as an intern/​editorial assistant at a small library publisher, I found a job as an editorial assistant in Scholastic’s former Book Clubs division, working on the ins and outs of curating the baby-​toddler-​preschool book clubs. That got me excited about board and picture books and how they were made, so when the Trade division had an opening in their Cartwheel books imprint, I immediately jumped in. Then after a few years there, the Book Clubs group needed someone to coördinate their We Need Diverse Books program, which was too exciting not to pass up, but when the pandemic happened I went back to the Trade group for one last time. Then the S&S BFYR was looking for an experienced picture book editor, and that was that! I’ve been here for about 2 years now. Sorry, that wasn’t brief at all!

RVC: No problem–we always appreciate a useful robust here at OPB! Now, who has been your biggest career cheerleader and mentor, and in what ways have they impacted your growth in the industry?

CL: I’ve been fortunate to have so many cheerleaders and mentors during my time working in publishing. All of my bosses have been mentors to me, for example. I’ve learned so much from them in different ways, but mostly on how to be a good editor and advocate. But the lovely thing about the kidlit community is that there is an abundance of kind-​hearted, caring, and talented folks at every level in every department–so many of my colleagues have been mentors to me whether they know it or not just by being there and leading by example. It’s what keeps me excited about work.

RVC: What was the story behind the first picture book you acquired? 

CL: You know, the memories behind some of my first picture books are a little hazy since I acquired board books and picture books in one big jumble when I started, but one of the early ones was this paperback picture book called Princess Puppy that was written by the late great Bernette Ford. I don’t think it’s in print anymore, but that really stuck out in my mind.

RVC: What surprised you most about the process of bringing that book to life?

CL: The editorial process was definitely surprising, only because I was just this little assistant editor working with this legendary author who had created and led my imprint so I had no idea what to expect!

RVC: As an editor, what would you say is the most rewarding part of your job and why?

CL: There’s nothing like that feeling of reading a manuscript or dummy and instantly falling in love with it and then being able to tell that author or illustrator that yes, we want to make it into a book! That little kick-​off celebratory feeling that you share with the creator just fuels the rest of the process for me.

RVC: What are the key elements that make a picture book story engaging and memorable for young readers?

CL: Readaloudability, which Word is saying isn’t a word, but we all know it is. Picture books are supposed to be read aloud. The read needs to hold up the first time and the hundredth time!

RVC: Absolutely!

CL: I’m trying to think of something clever that will pair with readaloudability that applies to images–illustration scanability? Storystration? Basically the illustrations need to have multiple places for little eyes to land on and explore. Most picture book readers aren’t reading–the images are all they have, so those images better be telling a story, too!

RVC: Terrific point, Celia. What are your thoughts on Back Matter?

CL: It’s great, but not needed for every book.

RVC: What about rhyme?

CL:  It’s so integral to the early story time experience, yet I’m seeing fewer and fewer rhyming stories. A really good rhyme builds connections and sticks with you and opens the door to a love of reading. But writing in rhyme is not for the faint of heart–you have to remember that with rhyme comes meter, and that usually throws folks off.

RVC: What’s your assessment of where the industry is today in terms of diversity and representation?

CL: We’ve made some progress, but there’s still a long way to go, especially at the manager and executive levels in all departments. (See the POC in Publishing Industry Survey or Lee & Low’s Diversity Baseline Survey for more info).

RVC: How can people like me—and teachers, librarians, students, parents, and children—help?

CL: I think it’s important to ask about it and to elevate voices that are advocating for a publishing industry that better reflects what our readership looks like. And to demand for more diverse books and authors in general, too–those numbers aren’t great, either.

RVC: Let’s help out some of the creatives who read this blog. What tips do you have for illustrators looking to appeal to S&S BFYR when it comes to building their portfolios?

CL: I’ve said this in other places, but illustrators should be sure that they not only show figures, but also full-​blown scenes in their portfolios. It’s great to see that you do characters really well, but can you show those characters moving and reacting? That’s a question that comes up a lot when we see an artist’s portfolio with potential–sure, they can draw, but can they tell a story with their work?

RVC: In other interviews, you’ve mentioned the importance of characters’ eyes in conveying emotions in picture books. Can you elaborate on other critical elements in illustrations that can heighten a child’s engagement with the story?

CL: This is going to be very vague, but I always say a great illustration goes beyond what’s written and shows something more. A great illustrator brings new ideas to the illustration, to the story.

RVC: Let’s not ignore the writer folks. Are there any specific themes or subjects that you’re particularly interested in picture books submissions at S&BFYR?

CL: I’m always in the market for humor and character-​based stories. And stories with a twist (or multiple twists, gasp!) delight me to no end.

RVC: What’s the most common reason to say no to a submission that’s 95% “got it goin’ on!” Where do writers tend to fall short of the I MUST BUY YOU impulse we all want editors to feel?

CL: Oooo that’s a hard one! I think there are so many factors that could contribute to that 5%. I feel like lately the endings are what’s bothering me. Right now, if that ending doesn’t deliver, then it really takes me out. But if you ask me that in six months, I’m sure I’ll have a different answer for you.

RVC: I’m curious—what’s your dream project to work on, if given the opportunity?

CL: I’ve gotten to work on so many dreamy books, but I guess my Everest is that perfect unreliable narrator story.

RVC: One last question for this part of the interview. Can you give us a sneak peek into some exciting new titles S&S BFYR has in the pipeline?

CL: There are so many good ones, so it’s hard to whittle it down, but a couple that are coming out in the next few months are I’m Going to Build a Snowman by Jashar Awan, Remembering by Xelena Gonzalez and illustrated by Adriana M. Garcia, and The Wishing Machine by Jonathan Hillman and illustrated by Nadia Alam.

RVC: Alright, Celia. It’s time to launch into the LIGHTNING ROUND! The point values are tripled and the One-​Minute Timer of DOOM*! is ready to get going. Are you ready? (*DOOM not guaranteed)

CL: Bring it on! I love answering things quickly, especially with the threat of DOOM!

RVC: Would you rather crank some tunes, read a book, or binge-​watch Netflix?

CL: I know as a book person, I’m supposed to say read a book, but I am a binge-​watching girly through and through! I just love stories in general, whatever that form might be.

RVC: If you could instantly become an expert in any field, what would you choose?

CL: Demolitions expert, hands down.

RVC: Your life is on the line. You need to sing one karaōke song to save it. What do you go with?

CL: I’ve been waiting for this question all my life. I pride myself on keeping an updated list of karaōke songs on my Notes app! My go-​to is “Call Me” by Blondie.

RVC: What’s the last picture book you read that actually made you LOL?

CL: Lucy Ruth CumminsA Hungry Lion, or A Dwindling Assortment of Animals. It’s just one big giggle fest for me.

RVC: What’s the One That Got Away?

CL: The Rabbit Listened by Cori Doerrfeld. I don’t think I’ll ever get over it!

RVC: Share a quote from a picture book you love.

CL:  Technically it’s a novelty book, but “I will love you as the iceberg loves the ship, and the passengers love the lifeboat and the lifeboat loves the teeth of the sperm whale, and the sperm whale loves the flavor of naval uniforms.” from The Beatrice Letters tickles me to no end.

RVC: Thanks so much, Celia! It was terrific having you stop by OPB to share your story. 

CL: Thanks for having me, Ryan! These are wonderful questions!

Educational Activities: One Small Thing by Marsha Diane Arnold (illustrated by Laura Watkins)

One Small Thing
Author: Marsha Diane Arnold
Illustrator: Laura Watkins
9 May 2023
Beaming Books
32 pages

Book description from Goodreads: “After Raccoon’s home burns down in a lightning storm, his friends don’t know what they can do to help. Squirrel, Beaver, Mouse, Badger, and Rabbit all go back to their own homes, trying to focus on something other than Raccoon’s tragedy. But each animal discovers one small thing they can do for Raccoon–and it turns out that each small act may not be so small after all.

A gentle and powerful look at how small actions can make a big impact.”


Need some reviews on One Small Thing?

Enjoy this interview with Marsha about One Small Thing at Jena Benton’s blog.

And feel free to check out the author’s own free Activity Guide to go with this book!


Educational Activities inspired by One Small Thing:

  • Before Reading–From looking at the front cover: 
    • What do you think the book will be about?
    • Who or what could “one small thing” be?
    • What emotion do the creatures on the cover seem to be feeling?
    • What does the setting tell you about the story?
    • Can you guess the main theme of the book?
    • What do you think the main character’s challenge might be?
    • What questions would you like to ask the author before reading the book?
  • After Reading–Now that you’ve read the story: 
    • Would you recommend this book to your friends? Why/​why not?
    • How did the “one small thing” in the story make a big difference?
    • How did the main character feel throughout the story?
    • What did you think about the ending?
    • Did anything in the story surprise you?
    • What lesson did you learn from the story?
    • Which picture did you like the most? Why?
    • How did the illustrations contribute to the story?
    • Did the colors in the book match the mood of the story? How so?
    • How did the illustrations help you understand the main character better?
    • Did the illustrations make you feel like you were in the story? How so?
  • Mindful Minute: The story invites us to slow down and appreciate the smaller things. Practice a Mindful Minute each day. Close your eyes, take deep breaths, and focus on your senses. What can you hear, smell, or feel? It’s a great way to be present and appreciate small moments!
  • Tiny Treasures Artwork: Create an art piece using small objects you can find around your house or outdoors–like pebbles, leaves, or buttons. Each little piece contributes to the overall beauty, just like each small action can lead to significant results in the world around us.
  • Small Things Scavenger Hunt: Create a scavenger hunt focused on finding small things. Write a list of small items to find both inside and outside your home. It could include a red leaf, a button, a paper clip, etc. Have fun finding these small items and realize just how much you might overlook in your everyday life.
  • The Smallest Bake: With the help of an adult, bake a batch of mini cupcakes, cookies, or any treat you love. Enjoy the process of creating and, of course, eating them! This will show you how even small things can bring a big smile to your face.
  • My Small Hero Story: Just like the main character in the book, you can be a hero in small ways! Write a story where you perform small acts of kindness that make a big difference. Be creative, and remember that no action is too small to matter! Feel free to illustrate it, if you want. And consider sharing it with others to enjoy.
  • Further Reading: One Small Thing is about a number of topics, including helping others. Let’s look at other picture books that that explore that same idea. Which of these have you already read? Which of the others would you want to read first? (Click on any book cover for more information on these titles!)

Author Interview: Marsha Diane Arnold

This month’s Author Interview is with Marsha Diane Arnold. Her books have sold over one million copies, so what more do you need to know? 🙂

Alright, I’ll share a bit more.

Marsha’s lived on the West Coast, the Middle, and now, The East Coast (Florida), and she claims to love them all, but I think it’s clear which her favorite is. In addition to loving reading and writing, she’s a fan of bicycling, swimming, gardening, and scuba diving.

Her 23rd picture book, One Small Thing, just came out in May. Don’t worry, we’ll talk about it, along with a lot of other things.

Here are her social URLs.

And let’s end this introduction with a poem she wrote. Enjoy!

THE STORYMAGICIAN’S CHANT

I’m a StoryMagician.
I play with words.
I arrange them in stories
So they can be heard.
I’m a StoryMagician.
I imagine new worlds.
I bring them to life
Like a shiny new pearl.
I’m a StoryMagician.
I’m awake! I’m aware!
I sit with my notebook
Writing stories to share.


MDA: “The Storymagician’s Chant” is one I used as a call and response with students, during school visits. We had a lot of fun. I can already tell this interview is going to be a lot of fun, too. Thank you for inviting me, Ryan!

RVC: You bet! Now, please share three words that describe your childhood. 

MDA:  Farmgirl, family-​oriented, barefoot.

RVC: When did you realize you were going to be a writer? 

MDA: I always loved reading and books. I majored in English literature in college, but I never thought about being a writer myself. That is, not until my children were born and I started writing a weekly newspaper column entitled homegrown treasures. It was about children, family, and life, usually from a humorous, yet heartfelt, perspective. One reviewer said of it: “She finds a universe in her backyard!” I was a writer!

RVC: How did that weekly column help prepare you for your work as a kidlit author?

MDA: I asked the editor of the newspaper if I could use a pseudonym for my homegrown treasures column; I was so nervous about people judging me. He advised that wasn’t a good idea for a local newspaper columnist. Ha. I was finally persuaded; my first column was published under Marsha Arnold.

During those ten years of writing a weekly column, I learned about discipline, structure, word limit, and how to write subtle humor. My true love was picture books, so during those ten years I also started a writer’s group for picture book authors. My first picture book was published ten years after I began writing homegrown treasures. By then, I wasn’t quite as nervous about people judging me. My first picture book was published under Marsha Diane Arnold.

RVC: What’s the story behind your first published book? 

MDA: My first book, Heart of a Tiger, was published in 1995. That was a long time ago and my memory is fading.

RVC: I’ll take whatever you recall or whatever you want to make up! 🙂

MDA: I think I was writing the story about myself, for myself. I only realized this long after it was published. Like the small kitten, Number Four, I wanted to give myself a name like Beautiful Bengal on Naming Day, but, like Four, I wasn’t worthy of that name and had no idea how to become worthy.

In a way, I wrote the story to show how each of us can find the courage to follow a “Magnificent One” and learn to become worthy. Even if what you aspire to is not possible, as it was not possible for Four to become a Bengal Tiger, what you hold in your heart can “grow in wisdom and power as you grow.”

RVC: What was the most important lesson you learned with that book?

MDA: Perhaps the most important lesson I learned from Heart of a Tiger was that I could do it. I could write a story that touched readers. Heart of a Tiger received some nice accolades – Best First Book by A New Author, three Children’s Choice Awards, Junior Library Guild Selection, and more. I could do it! I could “grow in wisdom.”

RVC: What a nice thing to happen with a first book!

MDA: More heartwarming than the awards was the personal reactions of readers. I autographed a book for one young reader when he was eight. Years later, after graduating from high school, he wrote to tell me that he still had the book and that whenever he had to make a difficult decision, he would reread it, using it as a guide.

RVC: Speaking of cool lessons, Waiting for Snow has a wonderful lesson about patience. How did you craft the narrative to deliver this message effectively for young readers?

MDA: I do love those patience lessons. Waiting is hard for everyone, especially for little ones. My book Badger’s Perfect Garden has a secondary theme of patience too. I believe my guiding light for Waiting for Snow was from Ecclesiastes: “For everything there is a season, and a time for every matter under heaven.” I do trust my guiding lights.

Messages are much more likely to be heard if humor is involved and if the story doesn’t go on too long. I recall working on that subtle humor for Waiting for Snow. I also cut my story over and over; I cut a character or two as well.

RVC: What was the biggest challenge with that book?

MDA: The biggest challenge may have been using quiet humor to show the friendship and support of Badger’s friends, even when they had different opinions.

My brilliant editor, Kate O’Sullivan, helped me “kill some of my darlings,” to create space so Renata Liwska’s always amazing illustrations could tell part of the story. I was happy to do so. Renata brought forth just what I wanted to show: Badger’s impatience and ingenuity. Waiting for Snow is actually dedicated to Kate and Renata, a dream editor and illustrator worth waiting for.

RVC: Let’s talk art notes. Where do you stand with these? 

MDA: I like art notes, but they must be efficient. They must be succinct. And they must not intrude on the illustrator’s creative vision.

In my nearly wordless book Lost. Found., illustrated by Matthew Cordell, I used lots of art notes. After all, there were only 18 words in the book. It needed some art notes!

RVC: What about rhyme?

MDA: I like rhyme, too! But it certainly can be challenging. For me, one of the challenges with a rhyming story, besides finding all those perfect rhyming words, is to give it that second layer of meaning, that depth, along with the lighthearted rhyme.

Roar of a Snore, my 2006 book from Dial, was an accumulated rhyming story. Children loved it, even memorizing it. It was a Dolly Parton Imagination Library selection three years in a row.

RVC: Nice!

MDA: My agent is currently submitting a rhyming manuscript for me. It’s humorous like Roar of a Snore. I’d really like to have another funny book published, but that kind of success is hard to replicate.

RVC: Please share one of your favorite moments (or a breakthrough) in your writing career.

MDA: I have experienced so many wonderful moments at the schools I’ve visited during my writing career. There was the school that had all the classes come into the auditorium in a conga line, drumming, in honor of Prancing Dancing Lily. There was the time the principal drove me to the school and I saw a huge constructed tornado on their roof! It was in honor of my book, The Bravest of Us All. What a grand time I had on school visits.

RVC: School visits can be awesome! Now, let’s talk about your most recent book, One Small Thing. What’s the logline?

MDA: When Raccoon’s home is destroyed by a lightning strike, the creatures of Brightly Wood think they’re too small to be of any help. But after returning to their homes and their individual lives, they pause and reflect, finally realizing they can each do one small thing.

RVC: This book and others you’ve written have a strong connection to nature. What inspired this in your writing?

MDA: I grew up on a farm in Kansas, near a lake. I spent summers with my grandparents, who lived in a small Colorado town, near streams and mountains. I’ve always loved nature and wildlife. I feel most at home in nature, surrounded by wildlife. So, it’s natural, I think, that nature inspires my writing.

RVC: In this book, how did you decide on the range of animal characters and their unique personalities?

MDA: I am definitely a pantser writer. I usually come up with a title and that title acts as a beacon, leading me through the story. My characters usually come to me rather easily, as if they’ve walked up and knocked on my door. I invite them in and we become friends quite quickly. I love that my character friends are so different, with different personalities and different ways of viewing the world.

RVC: That’s a lovely way to explain how a story comes together. What happens next?

MDA: I weave in little things as the story moves along, little things that help the reader know the characters. We know Raccoon loved his home by the river and that he had a pet cricket. That tells us a lot. We know Beaver, busy as she always is, gets to work on a new house for Raccoon right away. We are a bit surprised that grumpy Badger is so worried about Cricket and goes into the darkest part of Brightly Wood searching for “that silly cricket.” Of course, we needed an animal (Mouse) who made herb balms to soothe Raccoon’s burned feet, an animal who brewed calming teas (Squirrel) and an animal (Rabbit) who liked honey and honey bread, to provide nourishment. All together, the animals provide Raccoon’s basic needs and much more.

RVC: Let’s talk about process. How do you handle writer’s block and keep your creativity flowing?

MDA: I’m not a writer who writes daily…or even weekly. So, maybe I have writer’s block and don’t even know it! But when I am working daily on a project and get stuck, I go for a walk in nature or take a swim. Five minutes in the oak tree swing often works, too.

RVC: How has your writing evolved since you first started?

MDA: I used to meander about in my stories more than I do now. One reviewer referred to “Arnold’s meandering style,” even though she gave me an excellent review. That was in reference to The Pumpkin Runner, which was published in 1998. I love storytelling styles that take a journey up the hill or over the river before coming back to the main road, but those stories are harder to sell in today’s market. So, I try to reign my meandering ways in.

RVC: Are there any aspects of your writing that have remained consistent?

MDA: One person recently asked me, “How do you create depth and simplicity simultaneously?” That sounded more like a wonderful compliment than a question. Once I stopped blushing, I realized that I’ve likely always done that intuitively. It may be because I respect my audience so much. I know children can understand depth. The simplicity part is perhaps because the truest things are simple, humble, and unassuming.

RVC: Share a bit about how you revise. How do you know when a manuscript is ready to send out?

MDA: I rely a lot on my two writing critique groups. Once I have what I think is a good draft, I share my manuscript with them. After I ponder their feedback, I read my story aloud, over and over again, checking for rhythm, lyricism, wordiness. Is it ever really ready? Probably not, but at some point, we have to let go.

RVC: What’s the most valuable piece of feedback you’ve ever received on your writing? 

MDA: For me, the most valuable feedback is encouragement. Fairly early in my career, a librarian said, “Marsha Diane Arnold and her books treat kids as thinkers and speak of good things…kind of like Mr. Rogers.” I couldn’t ask for much more encouragement than that.

RVC: What role did SCBWI play in your writing career?

MDA: One of the first things I did when I decided to write for children was join the Society of Children’s Book Writers and Illustrators. I think anyone serious about writing for children should be a member. They have been there from the beginning of my career, providing information and inspiration. In 2021, my Lights Out was a finalist for the SCBWI Golden Kite Award for picture book text. Thank you, SCBWI!

RVC: One last question for this part of the interview. What’s next for you? What should we be on the lookout for?

MDA: My next book will be out August 8th! Armando’s Island is an ode to the rainforest, its precious creatures, and those who bravely stand against its destruction. My hope is to bring awareness to the beauty and value of the world’s rainforests.

I wanted to bring my readers intimately into Armando’s world, so I used as much sensory detail as I could. The illustrations by Anne Yvonne Gilbert are spectacular. And when, on the opening spread, the child Armando looks directly at the reader, I feel intimacy is achieved.

I’m also excited about a manuscript I contracted for in January. Any day now I’ll be able to share the current title and who the illustrator will be, but not this day.

RVC: Alright, Marsha. It’s time for the much-​ballyhooed, never-​equaled SPEED ROUND. Let’s keep the questions fast and the answers even faster.  Are you ready?

MDA: Never. But let’s start anyway!

RVC: If you could only have one app on your phone, it’d be…

MDA: I could probably live without them all, but I do use Messages a lot. Is that considered an app. You see how techie I am?

RVC: If they made a movie about your writing career, what would the title be?

MDA: Meandering Marsha Stumbles Along; Serendipity Saves Her.

RVC: What makes your eyes roll every time you hear it?

MDA: The “word” “Anyways.”

RVC: What do you think you’re much better at than you actually are?

MDA: Nothing. I have a rather big inferiority complex.

RVC: Am I missing anything? What’s the question nobody ever asks you, but you wish they would?

MDA: What an intriguing question. Now I not only don’t know the answer to the question, I don’t know the question! Let’s see…

Here’s the question: “Your writing can be on the serious side. Do you ever do silly things?”

RVC: What’s the answer to that?

MDA: Yes, I’m serious-​minded, but I love to laugh and I laugh a lot. I can be silly. I see humor all around us. I can dance around the living room with my poodle. I can forgive myself and you too, if we get too serious. If you knew me well, you’d know that Joyful is my middle name, right next to Diane.

RVC: Final question. What’s the best feedback a kid’s given you?

MDA: Well, “I think you are the best writer in the whole galaxy,” was pretty nice. Then again, “You are one of my superheroes. One is my dad, the other is Jesus, and you,” was quite astounding.

RVC: Thanks so much, Marsha!

MDA: Thanks to you, Ryan…I think. This was almost as hard as writing a book! Just kidding. It was so kind of you to invite me to join you on this writerly interview. What fun!