Agent Interview: Heather Cashman (Storm Literary Agency)

Today, we’re diving into the imaginative world of Heather Cashman, a seasoned literary agent at Storm Literary Agency, whose dynamic career spans across the evocative realms of Picture Books, Middle Grade, Young Adult, and Adult fiction and nonfiction. Heather’s enthusiasm for boundary-​pushing narratives and her commitment to fostering books that evoke a sense of wonder make her a distinguished figure in the literary community.

Heather brings a unique blend of scientific background and creative zest to her role, embodying a true nomadic spirit that seeks out the unexplored and unexpected in literature. Whether it’s a new twist on historical fiction or a fresh perspective in a picture book, Heather is on a quest to discover stories that do things she never knew books could do.

For those who craft narratives with layered hooks and genre blends, or those who write with a blend of commercial appeal and literary elegance, Heather’s insights today will be especially enlightening. Stay tuned as we explore her journey from biochemist to literary agent, her passion for non-​didactic, empowering children’s literature, and her advice for aspiring authors navigating the complex currents of the publishing world.

Let’s get inspired by Heather’s story and learn how we, too, can think outside the book!


RVC: You earned a degree in biochemistry, but that career path didn’t take. What’s the story here?

HC: I love biochemistry! It’s fascinating and a wonderful career path. However, I had three kids in four years and chose to stay home with them, during which time I began writing. And writing. And I just didn’t want to stop! And I started studying editing, became a CP for people, loved the process, and after years of studying and interning, I became a professional editor. By then my kids were in middle school and high school, and I had to make a choice. But I was so passionate about all things writing and editing, I just kept going.

RVC: Your website lists three main areas of creative efforts—literary agent, podcast host, and way-​word writer. Which came first, and how do these roles inform each other?

HC: Writer, then editing and interning and working as the host of Pitch Wars with Brenda Drake got me into the conference circuit, which is where I met Vicki Selvaggio, the owner of Storm Literary.

Writing informs everything. Knowing what it’s like to be a writer in the query trenches, knowing what it’s like to struggle for the words, to pour your heart and soul into a book—it all helps me help my clients. I understand what it’s like, but I also understand how tough it is, how difficult it is to stay motivated, and what the industry takes from you. But I also know that you won’t make it if you don’t put your boots back on, dust yourself off, and get back on the horse.

Being an agent, I hope to understand the industry side, the business side of writing. The sales, the marketing, the hoops you jump through with acquisitions, the contracts, the editing, the selling, the hooks, making your manuscript stand out. All of these things inform my own writing, influences the advice I give my clients and how we strategize selling their books, and also helps me assess each query submission.

The podcast ties all this together for me. As a writer, I need community. As an agent, I feel like I have a way to help writers, but also know intimately what writers navigating publishing today would like to hear about. Knowledge is the key to power—to success. I hope the podcast empowers writers in every facet of a writer’s life, from mental health to craft, the business side of things, the shifting that constantly occurs in this industry, as well as the community. I want it to break down the barriers and stigmas associated with the different paths to publishing. And I hope it provides a nurturing environment for people looking to connect in a real way. We need each other.

RVC: We’ll circle back to the other topics soon, but let’s talk podcasts. Way-​word Writers is very new. Why tackle this big project?

HC: I needed it. I needed to get out of my own small world and talk to writers out there. Every podcast guest has amazed me, informed me, taught me, and been so fun to talk to. I’ve laughed, cried, expanded my own horizons. Even if nobody listened to it, I would want to keep doing it.

RVC: What’s the most difficult aspect of hosting a podcast?

HC: I guess not wanting to do it all the time. I would be interviewing twice as many people if I could afford the time. I absolutely love these guests.

RVC: Way-​Word is more than just a podcast or website, though. What other things do you do/​offer?

HC: We began with just the podcast. But many of our listeners have asked for workshops, retreats, and conferences. So we’re introducing workshops first, probably slowly. Then we’re having an online conference Fall 2024 and then an in-​person retreat in Spring 2025. We’ll see how those go, and if they go well, we’ll try to do them on a regular basis. Fingers crossed!

RVC: If I asked your colleagues at Way-​Word Writers, what would they say is your superpower?

HC: I asked my colleagues, because I don’t see myself as having any superpowers. They said that my superpowers are kindness and compassion, and that I’m dependable, thoughtful, and a good listener. *blushing bright pink!*

RVC: You’re not just a champion of writers—you’re a writer of science fiction and fantasy for adults and young adults, and “the occasional picture book.” What’s your current project?

HC: I have a book on submission right now with my agent that studies the line where preference becomes prejudice, about a young woman who loves the taste of oranges, the sound of a cello, and a certain boy, but her AI-​run government and society demands randomness, so that prejudice can’t ever happen. I’m also working on a picture book about traditions and how different traditions around the world can unify families.

RVC: What do you enjoy most about writing your own picture books?

HC: I love remembering what it was like to be a little child, without all the experiences that jade us, when it was just me napping on the back of my horse while she ate grass out behind the wash shed.

RVC: Let’s talk about being an agent. You came up via the internship route, right? How did you make that happen?

HC: It was a combination really. I’d been interning at an agency and then a publishing house, and I was doing the conference circuit. So things came together for me in a way—a perfect Storm!

Basically I worked A LOT for free for many years.

RVC: Prior to joining Storm Literary Agency, you worked as an editor at Cornerstones UK. How did you fare in the editorial role?

HC: I loved editing and still do! But it always made me sad when I fell in love with a manuscript and then didn’t get to see it through to the selling and publishing stage.

RVC: Talk a bit about how editorial you are in your work as an agent.

HC: When I first started as an agent, I was very editorial. The busier I get with things though, the less time I have to do detailed line or copy edits to really elevate the writing. But I still read and give as much feedback as I possibly can. I always want to give my authors the very best chance at a sale!

RVC: You landed at Storm Literary Agency. What’s the most important thing people should know or understand about that agency?

HC: We’re very much a team. We’re collaborative, have a family atmosphere, and we foster agents and clients alike to be the best they can. This industry takes a village, because books are like children: they’re complex, they grow, they need nurturing and advocates to fight for them. Storm is that village.

RVC: Why is Storm Literary Agency a great fit for you?

HC: I need nurturing too! Also, I love to help the other agents and writers, and Vicki and Essie are so supportive and offer their wealth of knowledge and experience freely. It’s a wonderful place to work.

RVC: What was the first picture book you sold? What’s the story behind that?

HC: The first picture book I sold was a nonfiction picture book by my client Nathalie Alonso titled My Name is Roberto (Calkins Creek, 2025), and it’s been a long time coming! I fell in love with Nathalie’s writing. She’s a fireball with so much heart and soul, and that gets poured right into her books.

RVC: What’s the most useful lesson that first picture book sale taught you?

HC: I could do it. And if I sold one book, I could do it again.

RVC: You’ve mentioned that you love “timeless picture books.” Could you discuss a few examples and what, in your view, contributes to their timelessness?

HC: Corduroy by Don Freeman. As timeless as corduroy itself, it’s a book about finding the perfect someone. We all need that.

Where the Wild Things Are by Maurice Sendak. Everyone has an inner monster, and that inner monster gets in trouble, and I love that this book teaches us to identify that inner monster and acknowledge it without letting it keep us from our dinner.

If You Give A Mouse A Cookie by Laura Joffe Numeroff. So fun, and we are all that mouse.

To me, timeless books universally resonate with us because they reveal ourselves—they reveal to us the human condition and help us realize that we aren’t the only ones who feel this way—no matter what our age.

RVC: As an agent, you’ve mentioned a love for books that “do things I never knew books could do.” Could you give an example of such a book?

HC: I’ve seen books that can turn into beehives, books that unfold and turn into a map, books that transform the way you live or think.

RVC: Can you talk about a time when a project took a completely different direction after your initial feedback and turned out better because of it?

HC: I gave someone an 18-​page edit letter for their YA and they asked me why I even took them on as a client. We worked on another project for a while, but after they went back and did the edits on that first project, it became a NYT Bestseller. And while my edits did help, it was their vision, talent, and perseverance that made the difference.

RVC: What a great story! Now, in your opinion, what are the key components of a successful author-​agent relationship?

HC: Communication, understanding, and a willingness to keep learning craft.

RVC: How do you handle the delicate balance of creative input with respecting an author’s artistic vision?

HC: I ask questions, make suggestions, and then let them figure it out. I trust them to know what they’re trying to do and say.

RVC: How do you identify and help authors capitalize on emerging trends in the publishing industry?

HC: My authors have a lot of manuscripts in a folder and I go through them and we discuss, or sometimes I ask them if they have anything an editor is looking for.

RVC: You’ve been involved with Pitch Wars, #PitMad, and Pitch Madness. Why did you get involved?

HC: To find a community of talented authors and creators and surround myself with a community of like-​minded people who want to lift rather than tear down.

RVC: What’s your favorite success story from those opportunities?

HC: I loved every author I worked with, both the mentors and my mentees, and I don’t think I have a favorite success story. There were so many talented authors who went on to do great things.

RVC: I confess—I don’t know anyone who lives the RV life, but it’s something you do full time. What’s a typical workday look like for you?

HC: My workday is very similar to anyone else, I think, as far as working around 10 hours and reading at night. I guess the main difference is that when I make my tea and go sit outside, I’m in the wilderness somewhere. And it’s always changing. Sometimes I’ll edit while in my lawn chair by a river. We’re off grid because we are 100% solar, so we often stay in national parks or forests with the deer and squirrels.

RVC: Your bio says you love kayaking, hiking, and motorcycling. How often do you get to do those things?

HC: I sometimes do small hikes in the mornings, but usually we do something on Saturdays and/​or holidays.

RVC: Alright, Heather. Let’s jump into the much-​beloved, never-​equaled, always-​exciting LIGHTNING ROUND. Zippity-​zoomy questions followed by fasty-​blasty answers, please. Are you ready?

HC: Yes!

RVC: Favorite writing/​editing snack?

HC: Bengal spice tea with lemon.

RVC: Which picture book character would be the best mascot for your RV?

HC: Little Bear.

RVC: If you could swap lives with any picture book character for a day, who would you choose?

HC: Christopher Robin.

RVC: What’s a recent picture book gem that didn’t yet get the attention it deserves?

HC: Too many to count!

RVC: Who sets the standard for picture book rhymes?

HC: Experienced editors who know meter and rhyme, and also know what a great read aloud sounds like. If you meant picture book authors, I would say Dr. Seuss.

RVC: Heather Cashman is an agent who…

HC: …wants all the books!

RVC: Thanks so much, Heather!

Educational Activities: Who’s Writing this Story?! by Robin Newman, illustrated by Deborah Zemke

Who’s Writing this Story?!
Author: Robin Newman
Illustrator: Deborah Zemke
7 May 2024
Creston Books
32 pages

Book description from Goodreads: “Have you ever wondered who’s the real boss of a story? The writer or the characters who live to tell the tale? Or both together?

Follow the Three Little Pigs and the Big Bad Wolf as they argue with the writer over what kind of story to tell. Will the hero become the villain? Find out in this fun introduction to the essential components of all great stories.”


Need some reviews for Who’s Writing This Story?!

As another bonus, here’s the book trailer for Who’s Writing this Story?!


Educational Activities inspired by Who’s Writing this Story?!:

  • Before Reading–From looking at the front cover: 
    • Based on the cover, who do you think is writing the story?
    • Where and when do you think the story takes place?
    • How do you think the pigs and the wolf might change the story?
    • What questions on the back cover interest you most?
    • What questions would you like to ask the author–or the illustrator himself!–before reading the book?
  • After Reading–Now that you’ve read the story: 
    • Did the story turn out the way you expected? How was it different?
    • Which character did you like best? Why?
    • How did you react to the writer being booted from the story?
    • If you could change the ending of the story, what would you do?
    • What was your favorite part of the book and why?
    • Which illustration surprised you the most? Which did you like best?
    • Would you recommend this book to a friend? What part would you tell them about first?
  • Fairytale Remix: Choose your favorite fairy tale or folk tale. Before you start rewriting, make a list of all the different elements of the story: characters, setting, plot, conflict, and resolution. Now, get creative and change some of those elements! Maybe Cinderella goes to the ball in a spaceship, or the Big Bad Wolf becomes a vegetarian. Think about how these changes would impact the story. Does the conflict change? Is there a different resolution? Write your new story, and if you want, illustrate it.
  • The Character Couch: Imagine you’re a talk show host or journalist. Choose one of the characters from Who’s Writing This Story? (or even the author of this book or the writer in the story!) and prepare a list of interview questions. You can ask about their thoughts on the original story, their motivations for changing it, or their opinions on the other characters. Find a friend or family member to act as your interviewee and record your “interview” for a fun way to share your insights.
  • Pigs, Wolves, & Puppets, Oh My!: This isn’t just any puppet show – it’s a full-​on production! Create puppets of the characters and the writer, but also make props and scenery to match the different settings in the story. You can use cardboard boxes, construction paper, fabric scraps, or anything you can find around the house. Then, put on a show for your family or friends, perhaps with sound effects and music.
  • Cover Creators Club: Gather your friends and family for a book cover design contest. Everyone gets to create their own cover for Who’s Writing This Story?. Encourage creativity and originality! Once all the covers are finished, put them up on display and have everyone vote for their favorite.
  • Further Reading: Just like our Educational Activities book last month (Hey Bruce! An Interactive Book), our featured book this month, Who’s Writing this Story?! isn’t your typical picture book. It breaks the fourth wall, meaning the characters in the story know they’re in a book and directly talk to the reader!

    Here are yet MORE picture books that use this playful technique. Which of these have you read before? Which would you want to read first?

 

Five Five-​Word Picture Book Reviews: A Wild Windy Night; If You Run Out of Words; Mama in the Moon; Roar-​Choo!; This Is Not My Lunchbox!

Things went sideways with my plans for May, so we’ll launch the month with the increasingly (in)famous Five-​W0rd Reviews instead of our regularly scheduled joint PB review.

Here we go!


Author: Yui Abe
Illustrator: Yui Abe
Museyon
1 April 2024
40 pages

Ryan’s five-​word review: Windswept fun–bedtime fears goodbye!

4 out of 5 yawns


Author: Felicita Sala
Illustrator: Felicita Sala
Harry N. Abrams
9 April 2024
48 pages

Ryan’s five-​word review: Worried child, wonderful word-​weaving dad.

4.5 out of 5 bedtime questions


Author: Doreen Cronin
Illustrator: Brian Cronin
Rocky Pond Books
30 January 2024
40 pages

Ryan’s five-​word review: Moonlight magic for tiny worries.

4.25 out of 5 Mama hugs


Author: Charlotte Cheng
Illustrator: Dan Santat
Rocky Pond Books
9 April 2024
40 pages

Ryan’s five-​word review: Cold-​ridden dragon learns to rest.

4.25 out of 5 cups of tea


Author: Jennifer Dupuis
Illustrator: Carol Schwartz
Tilbury House
16 April 2024
32 pages

Ryan’s five-​word review: Tasty text–terrific animal treats.

4 out of 5 wiggly worms

Educational Activities: Hey, Bruce!: An Interactive Book by Ryan T. Higgins

Hey, Bruce!: An Interactive Book
Author: Ryan T. Higgins
Illustrator: Ryan T. Higgins
20 September 2022
Disney Hyperion
48 pages

Book description from Goodreads: “In Hey, Bruce!, Bruce the bear experiences … well, whatever readers want him to.

Rupert, Thistle, and Nibbs, the fun-​loving mice in Bruce’s begrudgingly expansive family, guide readers on a quest for a fun reading experience, with Bruce the ever-​reluctant star. As readers turn the page, flip the book, and follow the mice’s increasingly silly instructions, Bruce is sent flying and tumbling—all as he looks right up the reader’s nose! How will you interact with Bruce?

Bruce’s life is what YOU, the reader, make it in this special interactive addition to the award-​winning Mother Bruce series.



Educational Activities inspired by Hey, Bruce!:

  • Before Reading–From looking at the front cover: 
    • Take a good look at the cover. What clues can you find about what might happen in the story? What does Bruce’s expression tell you?
    • Knowing it’s an interactive book, what sorts of silly things do you think the mice might ask you to do?
    • What questions would you like to ask the author–or the Bruce himself!–before reading the book?
    • Have you read any of the other Mother Bruce books by Ryan T. Higgins? If so, what’s one thing you remember about them?
  • After Reading–Now that you’ve read the story: 
    • One mouse says he can see up the reader’s nose. How did you react to that?
    • What was the funniest or most surprising thing that the mice asked you to do?
    • What did you want to do beyond what the mice asked you to do?
    • Did you feel sorry for Bruce at any point?
    • What was your favorite part of the book and why?
    • Which illustration surprised you the most? Which did you like best?
    • Would you recommend this book to a friend? What part would you tell them about first?
  • Bruce Says! Play a round of “Bruce Says” – have one person be “Bruce” and give silly commands from the book (“Pat Bruce’s head!” or maybe “Tickle Bruce’s toes!”).
  • The Giggles Report: Draw a picture of the funniest part of the book. Write a silly caption to go with it!
  • Build a Bruce Fort: Build your own cozy naptime fort with blankets and pillows – just like Bruce would love!
  • Rhyme Masters: Pick a word from the book (shake, wiggle, nose) and write as many rhymes for it as you can!
  • Your Interactive Story: What silly things would YOU put in an interactive book? Write or draw your ideas!
  • Further Reading: Hey Bruce! An Interactive Book isn’t your typical picture book. It breaks the fourth wall, meaning the characters in the story know they’re in a book and directly talk to the reader!

    Here are some other picture books that use this playful technique. Which of these have you read before? Which would you want to read first?

Author Interview: Rob Sanders

Welcome back to Rob Sanders, the first person we’ve asked to come back for a second interview. He was the first-​ever Author Interview when we launched OPB exactly six years ago, and his career has taken off in a way that makes asking him for a follow-​up interview a no-brainer.

Now, if you want to know about Rob’s past, hit up that other interview. This one’s going to dig into all Rob’s been up to lately, what’s he doing now, and what’s coming up later. Plus, we’ll tackle some bigger aspects of the industry because Rob’s the right person to offer real insight.

Let’s get right to it, then!


RVC: Since our last interview (April 2018), how has your approach to storytelling evolved? What do you know/​do now that you didn’t know/​do then?

RS: Probably the only way I can answer that question is to say I’ve stayed open to possibilities. Since 2018, I’ve written books (or had books acquired) that are fiction and nonfiction picture books, worked in collaboration with another author on two nonfiction biographies, published my first historical fiction middle grade novel in verse, and have a book of poetry releasing this year. Many authors have a “writing lane” in which they are marvelously successful. That model just doesn’t work for me. I guess I’m a drive-​all-​over-​the-​road kind of writer. I like variety. I like finding unique approaches to stories. I like finding the one best way for me to tell a story.

The more I write and the more I’m published, the more I know how much I don’t know. Authors I teach and critique often want me to tell them which of their manuscripts will be the most successful, which will be the right one to submit, which will get published. Golly-​gee-​willikers, I don’t know. No one does. The industry is far too subjective for that kind of prediction. (And if I did have that kind of crystal ball, I wouldn’t experience rejections myself, would I?)

Every story is one “yes” away from being published. Writing takes perseverance, tenacity, and a pretty thick skin. But to answer the question … since 2018, I think I’ve become braver. Braver in my selection of topics. Brave enough to stand up for and represent my work to others. Brave enough to take risks.

RVC: I get your drive-​all-​over-​the-​road kind of writer approach because it’s what I do, too. But one of the challenges I’ve faced as a result of that is that branding becomes more of a challenge. 

RS: Honestly, Ryan, I spend very little time thinking about platform, brand, and the like. Maybe I should be thinking about that, but I don’t. What do I do? I think of my published work as my brand. In query letters, my agency always includes something like “Rob Sanders, a pioneer in LGBTQIA+ nonfiction and the author of …” which firmly establishes or reestablishes me in the mind of an editor. I keep a list of reviews, honors, and awards for all my titles and have them available for publishers who request that.

Years ago, I had a wonderful website built and over time, my designer helped make it everything I envisioned and more. I send updates to my designer once or twice a year and/​or when there’s new information (a review, award, new book, etc.) to share. I have a presence on Facebook and Instagram (I recently gave up Twitter/​X) and I grow my reputation further by judging writing contests; teaching classes; serving as a mentor for various organizations; writing for blogs, newspapers, etc.; critiquing; and more. I feel that my time is best spent when I’m creating and focusing on my writing and when I’m helping others on their creative journeys.

RVC: How do you specifically navigate the challenge of writing for a dual audience—engaging both children and the adults who read to them (and who most often buy the books)?

RS: Can I say golly-​gee-​willikers again or is this a family show?

RVC: We’re a hearty bunch. We can take it!

RS: How do I write for two audiences? Well, I don’t.

RVC: Interesting. What do you do then?

RS: I find the best way into a story, the best way to “package” it or tell it and I write the best story I can. I stay open to input from others and revise my pants off and then I work with my agent to find the best editorial/​publishing fit for each manuscript. Truthfully, that match takes a bit of serendipity or a bit of luck. But when an editor makes an emotional connection to a story, they will become that story’s champion to others on the acquisition team. When that acquisition team begins to feel the same passion for a story, they will represent it positively to their sales staff who will represent it positively to book buyers who represent it to customers. Ultimately, a well-​written children’s book will attract adults—the purchasers—precisely because they know or feel that kid readers will make a connection with the book—just like that acquiring editor did.

RVC: You brought up three intriguing ideas there, and I want to talk about each in greater depth. The first one is the idea of revising your pants off. What does the revision process look like for you? 

RS: Each project presents its own revision demands. Of course, we all begin by looking at word choice, story arc, character development, and the like. But there are other things that may be even more important. To me entry point, structure, and presentation are huge. By entry point I mean that “thing” that helps pull a kid into a story, gets them to keep reading, and what they relate to in the story. Structure refers to how the story is told, built, sequenced, and so on. And presentation—probably a sibling of structure—is how the manuscript actually appears on the page. I can give you an example …

RVC: Please do!

RS: When I was writing about the first legal gay marriage in the US, the story of Michael McConnel and Jack Baker was compelling to me. There were twists and turns, legal battles, court cases, intrigue, and a wedding. I wrote the first few drafts recounting those events. But each draft seemed to lack kid appeal. I kept asking myself, “Why would a kid care about this?”

So, I started to think about what I enjoyed most about the many weddings I attended as a kid. And the obvious answer was—cake. I decided that the wedding cake (prominently featured in the photos from Michael and Jack’s wedding) had to be included in the story. The cake became the entry point. But how would I tell the story, how would it be structured? I decided that parallel narratives—one that told the story of how a cake is made and the other telling the story of how a relationship is formed—would be my structure. To present that on the page I literally wrote the cake’s story flush left and indented three or four times over whenever I was telling the relationship story. Throughout the manuscript the typed page presented that back-​and-​forth story telling which gave a visual clue to my agent and potential editors about how the story could be shown in a book.

This is a nonfiction example, but the same three things—entry point, structure, and presentation—apply to my revision of fiction, too.

RVC: What do you think is the most common misconception writers have about revision?

RS: I think most of us writers fall into one of two revision camps—the this-​is-​too-​hard camp and the that’s‑good-enough camp. Most writers stop revision too soon because of the difficult nature of what they’re facing or because they’re content with the progress they’ve made. We have to fight our way through those two roadblocks to really dig into revision successfully. Beyond that, I think many writers feel revision is completed once a manuscript is acquired. Oh, no, my friend, it’s just begun. Even the “simplest” of picture books, a concept book, or a wordless picture book may have multiple revision notes from an editor. And there may be multiple rounds of revisions. The two ways to be successful at this level of revision are to be professional and to meet deadlines.

Being professional includes taking the comments to heart, revising the best that you can, and noting for the editor any revision comment with which you don’t agree and explaining why. At this stage, revision really becomes a conversation (usually on paper) between the editor and the writer. My goal with revision deadlines is to return my work well before a stated deadline. That’s the kind of thing editors appreciate and remember.

RVC: You also said you “work with my agent to find the best editorial/​publishing fit for each manuscript.” What’s your role in that? I think some people assume that they only need to hand a manuscript to an agent, and then they can/​should wipe their hands clean of it. It’s all on the agent now. “Go make the publishing magic happen, Agent! Make the royalty checks rain!”

Are you regularly discussing publishing houses and editors with your agent? Are you checking the Rob Sanders submission database and strategizing?

RS: Regularly, no. As needed, yes. Because I attend live and virtual writing events and am often on faculty for events, I meet lots of editors and hear them speak. Sometimes I’ll hear an editor say something that prompts me to think that one of my manuscripts might be a fit for them. I let my agent know that right away. When I’m at a convention wandering through the booths of various publishing companies, I pay attention to the books on display. I introduce myself and chat up the folks in the booth and hear them talk about their books. If I feel that my work might fit with that publisher’s goals or aesthetic, I remember to let my agent know. Or I might text my agent right then and there asking, “What do you know about Publisher B and Publisher T? They have some great work on display.” When my agent is ready to send something out on submission, we look at the proposed submission list together. I might suggest an editor or two to add to the list, or editors that we might send to if we have a round two of submissions, and I might even suggest someone on the list be removed. I don’t demand anything from my agent. We discuss things and come to an agreement. Sometimes my suggestions pay off. (Of course, sometimes they don’t! LOL!)

RVC: Another topic you mentioned above is about readers (including editors) and making an emotional connection with them. Clearly, an obvious way to do that is to have a topic that’s inherently emotional, such as your fine book, Stonewall, A Building, an Uprising, a Revolution. But I get the sense that you do more than simply choose a topic that’s inherently emotional. What kind of specific things do you do in terms of creativity and craft to create or heighten the emotional impact of a picture book story?

RS: We all wonder what makes an editor or an acquisition team say, “Yes!” to a manuscript. Undoubtedly, there are many answers to that question, but I don’t think an emotional topic alone is the answer. To me, the main reason an editor and/​or acquisition team says, “Yes!” is because they feel something when they read a manuscript. An emotional connection is made. Wiley Blevins from Reycraft once said that every editor on the Reycraft team had to emotionally connect with a manuscript for the company to make an offer to acquire. In other companies, you may just need to make that connection with the acquiring editor who will then champion the book to others in the company.

Many people at Random House have told me a story about Michael Joosten, who was my editor for Pride and Stonewall. When Michael pitched Pride to the folks at his company he welled up and began to cry.  Michael was so convinced of the need for that book and so related to its content that his emotional connection came pouring out. His connection helped others connect and be enthusiastic about the book, too.

Of course, the emotional connection doesn’t have to be tears. It might be belly laughs; a warm, fuzzy feeling; a stirring of memories; or a million other things. Robert Frost is credited with saying, “No tears in the writer, no tears in the reader. No surprise in the writer, no surprise in the reader.” Your own emotional connection to the story is a hint that others may connect with it, too. If you don’t feel that emotional connection, then others may not feel it either.

RVC: Let’s circle back to you and how you operate. Some writers fuel their creative efforts with constant reading, but others insist that they must put aside books when the muse strikes. Where’s the intersection of creativity and reading for you?

RS: They say the first step to healing is admitting you have a problem, so here goes: I’m a picture book-​aholic. I’m constantly reading new books, dipping back into favorite books, ordering books that I hear others talk about, etc. And I always have writing projects going on. So, creativity and reading are smashed together for me. I have to feed my creative muse and I do that by reading, going to museums, spending time at the beach, seeing plays and musicals, and more. For me creativity and reading go hand in hand. I’ll be quick to add that one size does not fit all. Each of us has to find what works for us and then work it!

RVC: What books are on your nightstand right now?

RS: I don’t have a nightstand, but I have books to read piled up in my office, on my dresser, in a chair in the living room, and in the bathroom. (And that doesn’t include books that are in research stacks.) I pulled one book from each of the four stacks mentioned above and here’s what I found:

Your Guide to Not Getting Murdered in a Quaint English Village by Maureen Johnson and Jay Cooper

Reimaging Your Nonfiction Picture Book: A Step-​by-​Step Revision Guide by Kirsten W. Larson

Desert Queen by Jyoti Rajan Gopal

Farmhouse by Sophie Blackall

RVC: What question are you asked most frequently about your writing career?

RS: I’m frequently asked about my nonfiction: “Why do you write controversial books?”

RVC: What’s the answer?

RS: I don’t write controversial books. I write about history. History is not controversial. But not teaching history is controversial.

RVC: Here’s the last question for this part of the interview, Rob. What’s on tap for you next? What upcoming things are you most excited about? 

RS: I have three books slated for release this year and three more next year. Coming this year are:

Queer and Fearless: Poems Celebrating the Lives of LGBTQ+ Heroes
April 2024
Illustrator: Harry Woodgate
Publisher: Penguin Workshop

 

We Are a Class!
July 2024
Illustrator: Hannah Abbo
Publisher: Beaming Books

 

Between You and Me
December 2024
Illustrator: Raissa Figueroa
Publisher: HarperCollins

RVC: Alrighty now…it’s time to sound the alarm, buckle your literary seatbelts, and batten the hatches because we’re going to plunge straight into the high-​stress depths of THE LIGHTNING ROUND!!! Six questions followed by six answers in zippy-​skippy fashion, please. 

Rob…are you prepared for the electrifying challenge?

RS: Bring it on!

RVC: What outdated slang do you use on a regular basis?

RS: Coolio.

RVC: What’s the most interesting or unusual talent you have?

RS: I don’t know if I can still do it, but I used to be able to twirl a baton.

RVC: If you could sip lemonade on the porch all afternoon with three kidlit creators, who would it be?

RS: Jane Yolen, Tomie dePaola, and Maurice Sendak. (I’m pretty sure they all knew one another so it would be a lively time.)

RVC: Who’s a nonfiction picture book writer you want everyone to read?

RS: Barb Rosenstock.

RVC: Who sets the standard for funny picture book rhymes?

thumbnail (1).jfifRS: I have to name two people—I love the humor of Tammi Sauer and the rhyming of Lisa Wheeler.

RVC: Complete the sentence in six words or fewer. Rob Sanders is a writer who…

RS: … teaches and a teacher who writes.

RVC: Thanks, Rob. It was great having you back here with us at OPB.

Picture Book Review: A Party for Florine by Yevgenia Nayberg

A Party for Florine: Florine Stettheimer and Me
Author: Yevgenia Nayberg
Illustrator: Yevgenia Nayberg
Neal Porter Books
16 July 2024
40 pages

This month’s PB review is by Ryan G. Van Cleave (Owner/​Operator of Only Picture Books) and author-​illustrator Bonnie Kelso, a good friend of the OPB family.

Ryan’s Review of the Writing

I’ve been a fan of Yevgenia Nayberg’s books since the publication of Martin & Me, which eschewed the typical picture book biography format and instead offered parallel stories of Martin Luther King Jr. and Anne Frank. Similarly, her new book, A Party for Florine is an unusual take on the life and work of a famous person–Modernist painter Florine Stettheimer.

The story begins with a girl entering a museum and coming across a painting of a girl that looked a lot like herself. The girl in the painting “was holding a palette and brushes.” The narrator says she’s an artist, too, so she decided: “I must learn all about her!”

Here, we get some of the typical picture book biographical material, such as the artist’s full name, her date of birth, and where she lived. But it’s filtered through the narrator’s mind, which works to contextualize the information through her own life. Perhaps the artist’s Jewish family “was just like my Jewish family” she wonders. It’s an effective technique.

The narrator is charmed to learn about the famous people who visited Florine and attended her parties. And the narrator has an artist’s eye for colors and images throughout all she shares with the reader. Even in her regular life (sitting in her room during a rainstorm or walking outside the next day, etc.), she’s clearly affected by the effect of Florine–she sees more brightly and brilliantly similar to how Florine painted (and lived).

I’m especially taken by how often the narrator reframes things in her own world, such as her striped T‑shirts, comparing Florine’s art teacher to her own, or noting how the Alwyn Court building “looked like a slice of giant cake”. When she imagines a party she’d like to hold for Florine, she does even more of this: “I would decorate the table with giant flowers as big as bicycle wheels.” Lovely. I think young readers will respond quite well to this kind of evocative language here and elsewhere in the text.

The story ends with the narrator seeing the world anew, which demonstrates the positive effect of Florine’s influence on her. Would it be more pronounced if we had a stronger sense of how the narrator saw the world prior to this seminal museum experience? Perhaps.

The book includes a lengthy Author’s Note which explains how the author first learned about the painter. It also offers many of the details I yearned for earlier in the story, such as:

  • Was the narrator researching the girl in the painting or the author of the painting? (It was a self portrait, so both)
  • How big was Florine’s family? (She was the fourth of five siblings, one of four girls)
  • Did Florine’s famous friends become characters in her paintings? (Frequently they did!)
  • How famous/​successful was Florine in her own time? (It seems as if she enjoyed modest success in her lifetime but after her death, her reputation grew a good deal)
  • Did success matter to Florine? (Apparently, she was independently wealthy–though I had to Google for this)
  • How did Florine feel about sharing her art? (“Letting people have your paintings is like letting them wear your clothes,” is SUCH a good line that I wanted it in the main text vs the two pages of Author’s Notes)
  • Did Florine write poetry as the main character (perhaps) did? (Yes)

The Author’s Note gave me pause by mentioning how Florine studied art in Germany (Stuttgart) with “Fräulein Sophie von Prieser,” but in the main text, it was in Vienna (Austria). I might be missing an implied transition somewhere, though I always worry that young readers will miss as much (or more) than I do, so this is the type of thing I focus on as a picture book creator and editor. (It’s important to note that young readers also see more than some adults via their own creative observations and connections–they’re not less capable, just different!)

There’s a noticeable emotional undercurrent here that I’m unsure what to do with. It starts at first glance of the painting, where the narrator is talking about herself as “someone I knew too well.” And lines later, the girl she’s identifying with in the painting is described as someone with fiery eyes who could “start crying at any moment.” There’s also the self-​doubt revealed by her being unable to believe her art teacher who says “Good job.” There’s more here beyond this, but as I said, it’s not a clear throughline that informs the story despite catching my attention.

In sum, this is a story that goes beyond the typical picture book biography in an imaginative, interesting way. In one sense, it’s also the story of how one creative finds inspiration in the life and work of another, but it’s also about helping readers of today learn about neglected figures from the past. Clearly, Florine is someone whose life and work is well worth considering.

4 out of 5 pencils


Bonnie’s Review of the Illustrations

Yevgenia Nayberg’s illustrations perfectly complement her story about New York painter, poet, and salonnière Florine Stettheimer. Colorful figures bend and float expressively in ever-​shifting planes of existence as Nayberg evokes the spirit of the celebrated Modernist’s style. It’s no wonder she has created this book, for when you see the first spread, a self-​portrait of Florine stares back at you, and it could very well be the face of the author-​illustrator as well.

As you move through the story the present is juxtaposed with the past as the young narrator leans into her imagination. Clever details piqued my interest, like the large still life with our narrator miniaturized and perched on a peach. Next to her a bouquet of flowers—mixed with artist tools—is tagged with a mysterious love note from Marcel Duchamp to Florine’s sister.

Visible brush strokes, collage elements, subtle textures, and charming speech bubbles add to the delightful Jazz Age renderings. Spot on portraits of historical figures pepper the scenes and give  you a sense of the high society world Florine was a part of.

A particularly beautiful spread near the end of the book resonates like poetry as the text and imagery bring to mind the Greek goddess Persephone. Florine leaves the scene as a trail of flowers bloom behind her. Like demigods, artists find a version of immortality through the sharing of their work past their natural life. I encourage any lover of art, young or old, to add this book to their collection.

5 out of 5 paintbrushes


Bonnie Kelso loves diving into the details of art history, especially when it’s about an artist who rubbed elbows with Gertrude Stein and Georgia O’Keeffe.

Bonnie is the author and illustrator of three picture books with more on the way. Her debut, Nudi Gill: Poison Powerhouse of the Sea, was selected to represent Nevada at the 2023 National Book Festival in Washington, D.C. Her most recent release, Sea Smiles, is the first book in a series that blends childhood milestones with fascinating facts about sea animals.

A graduate of the Rhode Island School of Design, Bonnie’s past experience in art spans a spectrum, from abstract painting on canvas to museum-​quality exhibit design. She has worked with clients such as the Smithsonian, National Geographic, and NASA.

She lives in Las Vegas with her partner, two sons, a Boston Terrier, and an unruly cat. To learn more about Bonnie’s work, please visit www.BonnieKelso.com.